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Faulty 'Dark Knight Rises' Blu-ray?

Just watched Christopher Nolan's Batman trilogy back-to-back on Blu-ray. As ever, Batman Begins and The Dark Knight looked and sounded great, especially the latter.

However, in comparison, The Dark Knight Rises (TDKR) Blu-ray was poor:

Overall, the resolution / picture quality is more akin to a DVD's

White and Oriental actors' skin tones have a distinctly orange hue (when shirtless, Bane resembles the Tango ad's genie)

The sub bass during the opening scene's music nearly detonated my subwoofer

Music inconsistently overwhelms dialogue / sound FX

Bane's dialogue is so mixed to the fore that it's absurdly imbalanced compared to other actors sharing a scene

Is my TDKR Blu-ray faulty or is it generally a sub-standard release?  :?   

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6th.replicant wrote:

Just watched Christopher Nolan's Batman trilogy back-to-back on Blu-ray. As ever, Batman Begins and The Dark Knight looked and sounded great, especially the latter.

However, in comparison, The Dark Knight Rises (TDKR) Blu-ray was poor:

Overall, the resolution / picture quality is more akin to a DVD's

White and oriental actors' skin tones have a distinctly orange hue (when shirtless, Bane resembles the Tango ad's genie)

The sub bass during the opening scene's music nearly detonated my subwoofer

Music inconsistently overwhelms dialogue / sound FX

Bane's dialogue is so mixed to the fore that it's absurdly imbalanced compared to other actors sharing a scene

Is my TDKR Blu-ray faulty or is it generally a sub-standard release?  :?   

 

Mine is brilliant, even better than the first two and by a little way!  I have the volume on about -29db and it is seriously loud!

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RE: Faulty 'Dark Knight Rises' Blu-ray?

Here's mine, the picture is awesome!

 

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ixBYsrBqnnE

 

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RE: Faulty 'Dark Knight Rises' Blu-ray?

Gel, ta for taking trouble to post a link, but I'm not seeing anything TDKR related...??

Meanwhile, just done some Googling and it seems I'm not alone re orange faces - eg, this TDKR Blu-ray t hread at thedigitalfix.com.

Blu-ray.com's review comments: "Skintones are lovely too (barring a few slightly orange faces)...". Although, IMHO, "slightly orange" is an understatement, as the still, below, from blu-ray.com's review illustrates?

 

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6th.replicant wrote:

Gel, ta for taking trouble to post a link, but I'm not seeing anything TDKR related...??

Meanwhile, just done some Googling and it seems I'm not alone re orange faces - eg, this TDKR Blu-ray t hread at thedigitalfix.com.

Blu-ray.com's review comments: "Skintones are lovely too (barring a few slightly orange faces)...". Although, IMHO, "slightly orange" is an understatement, as the still, below, from blu-ray.com's review illustrates?

 

 

You did click play on the link, didn't you?   Smile  It is the opening scene.

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Hi Max

 

Merry Xmas and happy New Year to you too.   Smile  Glad you are enjoying the clip!  Check out the others too.

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gel wrote:

6th.replicant wrote:

Gel, ta for taking trouble to post a link, but I'm not seeing anything TDKR related...??

You did click play on the link, didn't you?   Smile  It is the opening scene.

Ah, OK, it works better using a 'mobile device'  Smile

Accepting that not all TVs are the same - do you have your Colour setting relatively low / 'natural'?

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6th.replicant wrote:

gel wrote:

6th.replicant wrote:

Gel, ta for taking trouble to post a link, but I'm not seeing anything TDKR related...??

You did click play on the link, didn't you?   Smile  It is the opening scene.

Ah, OK, it works better using a 'mobile device'  Smile

Accepting that not all TVs are the same - do you have your Colour setting relatively low / 'natural'?

 

Just have the picture on normal settings.  Pretty accurate to me, it looks natural.  I have watched TDKR about seven times now and think it's one of the best discs.  It should be on par with the other two picture wise.  

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Have you compared TDKR with TDK after watching them back-to-back?

Ta  Smile

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Hi Max

Merry Xmas and happy New Year.   Smile 

+1  Smile

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Have you compared TDKR with TDK after watching them back-to-back?

Ta  Smile

 

I haven't.   Smile  But I have watched both numerous times though.

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I have found the blu ray to have a mixture of amazing picture quality and ok picture quality - when it goes from full screen imax to the black bars I found it noticeable that the quality deteriorated as well.

However in saying that a lot of it is reference quality if you ask me from a picture point of view - simply stunning visuals and that makes the normal picture look worse - but some of the scenes are far from perfect.

 

The soundtrack I found impeccable and reference quality - there is a lot of bass and I think it will show up inadequcies in a sub setup as a result as there is a lot of deep bass where most subs / rooms really struggle.  I found Bayne particularly standout amazing - you get Tom Hardy putting on an accent but with a crazy mask effect (that he obviously wears) that is very realistic and natural - it suits the character.  The fighting sound effects really enhance the on screen visuals I find as well

I also found the noise / effect of the "Bat" really believable and it moves around the soundstage with perfect precision to match on the onscreen visuals.

Overall an amazing Blu Ray Home Cinema experience depsite the odd picture flaws.

I think the newer film blu rays are getting better and better please keep them, coming, we havent seen the best from Blu Ray at all yet I dont think

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Have now watched some of the making-of etc extras on Disc 2. During the cast / crew interviews, flesh tones are normal but when it cuts to a clip or still from the actual film, flesh tones are orange  :wall:

Judging by what film-savvy types are saying on the interweb, it seems that, unlike TDK, TDKR has had little or no post-production for transfer to Blu-ray  :mad:

Guessing that Warner Bros. is priming the cash cow for a 'remastered edition' a few years hence? :roll:

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RE: Faulty 'Dark Knight Rises' Blu-ray?

6th.replicant wrote:

Just watched Christopher Nolan's Batman trilogy back-to-back on Blu-ray. As ever, Batman Begins and The Dark Knight looked and sounded great, especially the latter.

However, in comparison, The Dark Knight Rises (TDKR) Blu-ray was poor:

Overall, the resolution / picture quality is more akin to a DVD's

White and Oriental actors' skin tones have a distinctly orange hue (when shirtless, Bane resembles the Tango ad's genie)

The sub bass during the opening scene's music nearly detonated my subwoofer

Music inconsistently overwhelms dialogue / sound FX

Bane's dialogue is so mixed to the fore that it's absurdly imbalanced compared to other actors sharing a scene

Is my TDKR Blu-ray faulty or is it generally a sub-standard release?  :?   

 

Hi 6th,

i have not found the Orangey skin tones myself, watched it the other night and picture quality seemed perfect to me. Love the film itself to bits and I can't stand all the hate it has been getting in some movie buff circles  :roll: 

The Music and Sound FX Mix was also without problems to my ears and I loved the Bass. Not too much but just seat rumbling enough IMHO.

Now Bane's dialogue I did notice but there is a reason- It was purposefully enhanced by the Film Makers because on an early cut of the soundtrack, Bane's speech / accent combination was virtually intelligble and people complained they could not understand him. For some reason this quirk seems to have been further pronounced for the bluray. I however found this helpful as during my initial Cinema viewing at the IMAX I still did not understand all of his lines which I could now make out more clearly.

Maybe you have a duff transfer? Perhaps worth investigating. Did you notice these issues at the Cinema?

As for some kind of remastered edition being made available on Bluray in the future- I would highly doubt it unless there will be a 4k download / new Super high def format editon at some point (very very distant future :grin: ) 

 

All the best

 

 

 

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6th.replicant wrote:

Have now watched some of the making-of etc extras on Disc 2. During the cast / crew interviews, flesh tones are normal but when it cuts to a clip or still from the actual film, flesh tones are orange  :wall:

Judging by what film-savvy types are saying on the interweb, it seems that, unlike TDK, TDKR has had little or no post-production for transfer to Blu-ray  :mad:

Guessing that Warner Bros. is priming the cash cow for a 'remastered edition' a few years hence? :roll:

 

I hear they are releasing a new edition this year!

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RE: Faulty 'Dark Knight Rises' Blu-ray?

This is becoming odd!  :wall:

On the one hand, there're plenty of folks moaning about the TDKR Blu-ray's orange faces, but then there's also plenty, including Gel and AndyWright, who are not seeing '80s-era Essex 'suntans'.

For example,  Fusedwire.com's review notes:

"Skin tones have been correctly [sic] perfectly so no one looks orange... This is an excellent transfer that surpasses the last two Batman movies by a mile."

Huh?? Have I been watching the same Blu-ray?

Or perhaps that's the point - I, and others, have not been watching the 'same' Blu-ray, maybe there's a dodgey batch out there?

Or do some TV / BDP combos trigger orange skintones?

Thoughts, please...  :?

 

 

 

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