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Just finishing a new extension, so now have the opportunity to choose a new TV/ home cinema set up.

Biggest bug bear will be wired, or not!

Extension has a vaulted ceiling and under floor heating, so cable routing could be a pain (no carpet, either)!

Currently have a 5 yr old 42" Panasonic plasma, which has never skipped a best, so thinking of staying with Panasonic, but going up to 55", or so...

Is the Sonos soundbar, with sub etc worth a look, maybe integrate with other speakers in other rooms?

Or, should I stay clear of 'wireless' and go for something else?

Any advice on options, models, etc.

Don't want to go to silly money, but a realistic view to budget.

EDIT: Room is approx 5.5 x 5m

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RE: Completely new set up... Options.

What is your budget for the TV? Your best option would be panasonic 55vt65 but that is about £2k. 

 

For speakers you need to decide if you want a soundbar or traditional 5.1. I'm sure the Sonos soundbar is excellent although there will be other, cheaper options such as from yamaha. Any soundbar will mean you don't have to run wires round the room. Bear in mind any 'wireless' 5.1 system will still require power cables for the speakers. 

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RE: Completely new set up... Options.

No problem with TV price. 

Just trying to keep it to minimum wires for the purpose of tidiness.

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RE: Completely new set up... Options.

Well then if I were you I would get that TV. Find the lowest price you can from a site with a physical store - I've seen it for £1850 or £1900 recently then try and get John Lewis to price match. 

 

Then ring richer sounds and arrange for a demo of the Sonos playbar and the yamaha ysp2200 and s401 sound bars and see if (i) the sound ffrom a soundbar is acceptable to you and (ii) what price point is acceptable / which you prefer. Obviously if the multi room aspect of the Sonos is attractive to you that's an additional feature which the yamaha does not offer. 

 

Dont buy any more than basic hdmi cables. Report back with your findings. 

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RE: Completely new set up... Options.

I'd really be concerned about a demo at a dealer with the Yamaha soundbar (or most others). My father's got the Yamaha and the sound's just lost in his large room.  It barely sounds better than their flat screen TV and is currently an £800 paperweight in their lounge.  Massively over-rated in my opinion, especially at the RRP. If you had a demo at a typical demo room, I'd hate to see you disappointed when you got it home, wondering why it doesn't perform anywhere near the same standard.

If I had a sizeable room with vaulted ceilings, I'd be looking at more conventional speakers to shift enough air that you'll notice!

If you're really not keen on trailing wires to the rear speakers, how about an AV receiver with a 3.0 or 3.1 set-up? (Left, right & centre speakers plus optional subwoofer). A system like this would easily out-perform a soundbar. Set a budget for the audio part of the system and I'm sure a decent dealer (or other forum members) could could come up with a few combinations.

Soundbars are fashionable at the moment, but this is largely due to their convenience and looks rather than their sound quality in my opinion.  But isn't the reason why you'd buy one is to actually improve the sound quality of over the TV?

 

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RE: Completely new set up... Options.

Post-script to the above...

If you're after something that looks as neat as a soundbar, you could try an AV receiver plus a Monitor Audio Radius One (left, centre & right speaker in one cabinet) plus a subwoofer.  The Radius range is going cheap at the moment as the new range is about to come out. in fact I've got a Radius One in the bedroom that I really must get round to putting on the Bay... 

I still think conventional speakers would sound better though.

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RE: Completely new set up... Options.

And another post-script!

Couldn't help thinking of your requirement list when seeing the new Monitor Audio ASB-2 on the home page of this site. Especially bearing in mind the size of the drivers...

"As for sound, five discrete power amps deliver a total of 160W (claimed) to six proprietary C-CAM drivers: two 5.5in bass drivers, a pair of 4in C-CAM midrange drivers and two 1in C-CAM tweeters."

The bass drivers there are about the same size as their smaller stand-mount speakers (Bronze, Silver & Gold ranges), which unlike the Yamaha YSP-2200 ought to be able to cope better with the size and shape of your room. Pretty decent feature count too (Airplay etc) so might be worth adding to the equation.

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RE: Completely new set up... Options.

Hi leeps how big is your fathers room? I have the yamaha ysp 2200 and this thing is loud and clear no inbuilt tv speakers  will sound anything like it.i wont defend it against a proper 5.1 system but £800 quid paper weight is a bit harsh.

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RE: Completely new set up... Options.

Well, quite. Patently traditional speakers will have greater quality than a soundbar and traditional 5.1 will have a more compelling surround effect than a soundbar. But the OP wants to avoid wires if possible - only he can decide whether the trade off is - for him - worth it. Which is why I recommended to the OP that he demo a number of soundbars and see whether the solution as a concept is acceptable to him in terms of SQ, taking into account his personal compromises. To state that all soundbars are inadequate for all people is not only silly but flies in the face of the enormous expansion of this sector of the market. 

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RE: Completely new set up... Options.

If you have skirting board you could go the wired route and fit mini trunking to the point where you are going to site your rear speakers.

 

Generally it is quite industrial looking, but there are architectural and stylish options that have internal and external corners so it can look like part of the skirting.

 

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RE: Completely new set up... Options.

Uswd self adhesive half round trunking and it does look like part of the skirting board. Surprisingly good

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RE: Completely new set up... Options.

theflyingwasp wrote:

Hi leeps how big is your fathers room? I have the yamaha ysp 2200 and this thing is loud and clear no inbuilt tv speakers  will sound anything like it.i wont defend it against a proper 5.1 system but £800 quid paper weight is a bit harsh.

 

Admittedly his room is very large and an awkward shape from a sound point of view.  It's open-plan so extends into other rooms.  I'm glad someone finds the Yammy works for them, but I'm just stating that they paid £800 for it and never bother to switch it on, hence the paperweight analogy.  The main point I wanted to make for the OP was that due to the design of the Yammy (that it 'bounces' the sound off the side and rear walls), that the shape of his room could make it sound very different from a small to medium perfectly square low-ceiling demo room. 

When the YSP-2200 came out originally I really fancied one.  At the time I had a stereo system and wanted to have surround sound capabilities without making compromises on stereo sound, so thought that I could keep the stereo and just plonk the Yamaha in the middle.  It certainly looks the part, but my ears just couldn't agree with the rave reviews it was getting, especially at that price.

At least with your comments, the OP should get a balanced (or confused!!) view of soundbars!

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RE: Completely new set up... Options.

RobinKidderminster wrote:
Uswd self adhesive half round trunking and it does look like part of the skirting board. Surprisingly good

Interesting, can I ask where you get from?

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RE: Completely new set up... Options.

Just Google cable trunking, but this is a version http://www.maplin.co.uk/white-skirting-board-cable-management-solution-2...

Not self adhesive, but 1/2" or 3/4" screws will fix it to the skirting.

Screwfix also do a version

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RE: Completely new set up... Options.

skippy wrote:

Just Google cable trunking, but this is a version http://www.maplin.co.uk/white-skirting-board-cable-management-solution-2...

Not self adhesive, but 1/2" or 3/4" screws will fix it to the skirting.

Screwfix also do a version

Cool, thanks for that Skippy

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RE: Completely new set up... Options.

Smile ok I see .yes I think a lot of people expected miracles with the ysp 2200 but I have a 4x4 room with 3 stone walls so it's just great for me,a big awkward room is no good tho,even the cheapest 5.1 systems would wipe the floor with it .

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