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RE: Captain Phillips and Gravity are rubbish!

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A proper story, i waited an hour and a half for it to start only for it to end.

Yeah I felt the same way about the Poseidon Adventure, waited hours for the story to start and then BOOM! they all get out of the ship and it's all over! Rubbish...

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Not sure what you mean by "NOBODY NOTICED". The explanation given in the film was that all communication was broken as the satellites were destroyed by debris.

 

Anyway, the makers never said the film was a true story, or a depiction of real events. Maybe they purposefully introduced inaccuracies so as not get sued by anybody? :?

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Not sure what you mean by "NOBODY NOTICED". The explanation given in the film was that all communication was broken as the satellites were destroyed by debris.

I mean us, here on Earth, out of 7 billion people nobody noticed that NASA actually ran another 18 shuttle missions without telling us?

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Anyway, the makers never said the film was a true story, or a depiction of real events. Maybe they purposefully introduced inaccuracies so as not get sued by anybody? :?

This is a little more than an inaccuracy though (and I don't know who would be suing them?). The orbit thing was done purely for story reasons, I can live with that, and obviously it's not real events. I guess the point is this, 4 years ago, when Cuaron first came up with this story, the Shuttle was still flying, if the film had been made then they could pass it off as the story of a future mission, it's speculative, no problem with that but they aren't still flying, haven't been flying for 3 years in fact, so how can you make the basis for a present-era film something that was scrapped three years ago? There's no sense to it.

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RE: Captain Phillips and Gravity are rubbish!

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The biggest problem I have with Gravity, other than not having seen it, is that I don't know what it's supposed to be. They portray a Shuttle mission, STS-157 I think but the Shuttle missions ended with STS-135, and as far as I can tell there's no explanation for this, so what is this? A fantasy, an alternate universe or what? I can't just overlook something like that, it's too much of a reality jolt for me, so much so I may never bother watching the film unless there's an explanation forthcoming.

so you will only watch something that is factually correct,you dont watch anything then its a MOVIE :wall:

There's a bit of a difference between showing the Hubble telescope and the ISS in the same orbit compared to pretending that there were 18 additional shuttle missions, one's a minor technicality, the other's a complete fantasy. Think about it, it's fine to portray things that didn't happen, all the Marvel superhero films are fine because, as Marvel set out decades ago, they actually all take place in an alternative universe, one of many, that's easy enough, sci-fi set in the future, fine, we don't don't know how the future will unfold, full fantasy, no problem, it's another world (except LOTR of course but then Tolkien went to great lengths to explain that).

But this is something else, this can't be set in the future as the shuttles don't fly anymore and if they've been recommissioned, where's the explanation? So, is it an alternative world, if so, is that explained? If not then surely this is the mother of all plot holes, 18 additional shuttle missions with one ending with the shuttle being destroyed and astronauts dying and NOBODY NOTICED? Little things, like most films portray, fine but this is a world-wide event!

It's about believability, about not being wrenched out of the story, for instance in a costume drama when a character suddenly uses a colloquialism that didn't exist in that time, it destroys the illusion for the viewer. This doesn't even let me get into the story, I can't just ignore 18 shuttle missions that never happened!

 

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Twenty two! EVEN WORSE!!!!11!!!!  :O

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I'm sure it's more a qualitative problem for you than a quantitative one.

 

I can't agree with you: if they're allowed to make the film (they are) then they have a number of choices. (i) no mission number - people complain about a lack of realism. (ii) a number already used - people complain it didn't happen. (iii) an unused number with exposition - exposition is unnecessary, clunky and distracts from the narrative. (iv) use a later number with no exposition - I'm guessing the smallest number of people find this offensive or intrusive; unfortunately you're one of them. 

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its just a number used and has zero relevance to anything else - maybe by using a fake number noone will get upset or confused that the film is based on reality / a true story. 

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I'm sure it's more a qualitative problem for you than a quantitative one.

I can't agree with you: if they're allowed to make the film (they are) then they have a number of choices. (i) no mission number - people complain about a lack of realism. (ii) a number already used - people complain it didn't happen. (iii) an unused number with exposition - exposition is unnecessary, clunky and distracts from the narrative. (iv) use a later number with no exposition - I'm guessing the smallest number of people find this offensive or intrusive; unfortunately you're one of them. 

Or (v), they don't use the Shuttle at all, the ISS has its own arm, they could have substituted most of the scenes quite easily*.

 

 

*This is a wild guess, having not seen the film I've no idea if they could have done or not, either way it didn't have to involve Shuttles that don't exist.

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its just a number used and has zero relevance to anything else - maybe by using a fake number noone will get upset or confused that the film is based on reality / a true story. 

The number is irrelevant, it's the shuttle itself that's the problem.

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I'm sure it's more a qualitative problem for you than a quantitative one.

I can't agree with you: if they're allowed to make the film (they are) then they have a number of choices. (i) no mission number - people complain about a lack of realism. (ii) a number already used - people complain it didn't happen. (iii) an unused number with exposition - exposition is unnecessary, clunky and distracts from the narrative. (iv) use a later number with no exposition - I'm guessing the smallest number of people find this offensive or intrusive; unfortunately you're one of them. 

Or (v), they don't use the Shuttle at all, the ISS has its own arm, they could have substituted most of the scenes quite easily*.

 

*This is a wild guess, having not seen the film I've no idea if they could have done or not, either way it didn't have to involve Shuttles that don't exist.

 

I've not seen it either, I suspect it would be the least of my problems with the film. 

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Personally, I don't care about the inaccuracies. I went to the cinema after work on a weekday to unwind and treat myself to some good entertainment. I got my money's worth. Smile

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RE: Captain Phillips and Gravity are rubbish!

simonlewis wrote:

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mission goes wrong, and it is then a fight to survive, and if they survive, it is then it is a case of trying to get back to earth or die in space......

Really? What more do people want?!

A proper story, i waited an hour and a half for it to start only for it to end.

Same here

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Personally, I don't care about the inaccuracies. I went to the cinema after work on a weekday to unwind and treat myself to some good entertainment. I got my money's worth. Smile

 

I know you've said before that you'd only buy blu rays of films you consider 'reference' quality, so OOI what are some of your favourite films BB?

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Lord of the Rings trilogy, Life of Pi, Super 8 (the train accident), I am Legend, The Dark Knight, The Dark Knight Rises, Finding Nemo, Wall E, Mission Impossible 4 (Burj Khalifa scene), Dredd and Avatar (not watched it lately though).

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RE: Captain Phillips and Gravity are rubbish!

Reference quality for me might not include The Dark Night (bit of sharpening & EE going on).

Now true Reference (Film Transfer)  would be Cinema Paradiso, Se7en, Taxi Driver, Close Encounters.....................

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Gravity IMHO was superb.

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