I know what you mean. My RX8's look amazing either side of the TV and I love the look of the Apex for the surrounds. The RX8's are big speakers though. The depth alone is about 30cm, slightly more with the plinths and they stand tall too. But they look the business! Mine aren't placed too close to the wall but they're not as far away as some people are suggesting they need to be. I've never had the boomy bass mentioned but maybe thats partly down to how my amp calibrates the system. As an example given the difference in size of the RX8's compared to A40 centre A10's surrounds the volumes are set as L-3.0 C-5.0 R-2.5 SR-1.5 SBR +4.5 SBL +5.0 SL-1 SW-9.0. Personally I think that speaks volumes as to how good the Apex are given the marginal difference between calibrated volume settings. The only real difference and hence the +4 and +5 are for my SBL and SBR speakers as they are wall mounted at the rear of my living room which is quite long and much further away from the listening position than the rest are located. Not ideal but actually works very well.
The piano gloss finish costs quite a bit more than the wood finish but if you decide on RX6 /RX8's at the front then they match the Apex surrounds very well.
I was hell bent on getting the RX6's at one stage for the fronts L/R but when the dealer ordered them MA said there was a 4-5 week wait. I wasn't prepared to wait that long and ended up with the RX8's. I've never looked back. I actually ended up paying £35 more for RX8's in piano gloss black than what the RX6's were going to cost. The dealer cocked up on price and quoted me on a wood finish when I wanted gloss. They ended honouring the price they quoted though so i bit his hand off!
I still think a 4x4 size room would be better suited to the RX6's even if you can afford the RX8's. Neither would distort the sound unless your playing them at incredibly high volumes and then I sure it would be the sound from the amp that would distort before the actual speaker.
Anyway, I'd be interested to know what you decide and ultimately what you think!!
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Thanks again for your time and information - yes you got a very good deal there
no matter what speakers I get they won't be blasted at high volumes ,it's more of wanting proper rear sound effects than anything else,even cheapy systems can give me that but I want my surround sound setup to be up to the standard of my tv and blu ray player,once this is sorted I don't plan to upgrade for years until this 4k farce is sorted.like I said in my last post just the look of the black gloss finish speakers next to the rest of my equipment .every single thing from my multi socket monster plug to my ipad mini is in black ,my rack is glass and chrome so it's going to look impressive when set up.
with an audio calibration a little bit down the line after I've run them in,I think I'm going to go with left and right rx8 black gloss ,rear rxfx and now to be honest I'm going to look at the reviews for the centre speakers.i may be making a mistake with the space I have but it would have been like buying the 65inch vt65 yes it's almost the exact same picture quality of the ZT and an extra 5inchs for less money but it would have niggled away at me not to have gone for the 60ZT to see what all the fuss was about.if I choose the right supplier and explain my space problem they may be willing to do a swap or exchange if I balls it all up.
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If you're going for the RX8's then I'd urge you to get the RX Centre as well, it's very important to have the same driver units across the front three speakers (ideally in all five speakers, but matching across the front is especially important for a cohesive soundstage).
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+1 matching centre. Watch out for tweeter height. Think my 8's are similar to ma8's and I tip.the units forward a little to align the tweeter. I wonder if 6's may have been better in my 4x4..I'll never know!
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+1 for trying to ensure that the drivers match across all speakers. This is especially important when playing music in extended stereo. It really contributes to a harmonic effect that's quite mesmerising.
one final thought wasp. I do hope that you're just getting our thoughts as a guide and not actually making your final decision based on these and/or looks! I really would encourage you to demo before handing over the cash. Mr Malarky & my choices to partner Pioneer Av receivers with MA speakers rather than the generally more popular Yamaha / MA combo illustrate this. If we'd made our decisions based on the views of forum members we'd have different signatures on our posts.
i'm just saying that your own taste, if you actually heard these systems, might immediately discard one of these options, even if they might look smart. If you're like me I don't change my systems very often. They're expensive things that I'd keep for a long time, so I'd always put the sound balance in my listening room before anything else.
just don't want you to suffer "hi-fi regret"!!! (There's another thread on this topic with many forum members bemoaning past choices).
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Incidentally, going for the more powerful receiver doesn't mean you have to burst your ear drums before reaping any benefits. It's the quality of components and their ability to control the power that is there that's key. In Pioneer's case the top two models are also tuned by Air Studios, so it's not all about grunt & the number of unused interconnects on the back.
Agreed. Pioneer all the way.
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Big thumbs up for the Pioneer amps too from me, I love mine with MA speakers but like above its best to listen to one if you can. What sounds good to me might sound awful to you. I had a Denon amp previously and whilst that was great at the time the Pioneer Amp is much better for me.
Are the pioneer lx87 and yamaha a3030 ment for your average home cinema user,or are these flagship receivers ment for massive rooms driving very powerful speakers ,
i went for the oppo 103 over the 105 because I didn't need the sabre dac's for music and I pushed my budget on the tv because I wanted the best available ,I can go bigger but not better on the tv front in my opinion BUT with the amps is it pointless having those too wether you can afford them or not.the size and weight of these amps with the multi zone function just screams this is too much for my needs??
Multi-zone on decent AV amps is like 3D on decent TV's; it just comes as standard so don't get hung up on it as you probably can't avoid it.
As others have stated previously, the extra power output of higher spec amps is not just about generating huge volume (though they'll do that), it's about the amp having enough grip to properly drive high quality speakers at points of peak output during a soundtrack without the sound ever sounding stressed or forced or distortion creeping in.
Other features do increase up the range though, and not all of them may be needed, so if your considering the 86 its worth comparing its spec against the 76 and 56 to establish what the extra features are and whether you'll need them (likewise with comparable Yamaha models). The pioneer 76 would certainly be enough to drive the speakers your considering well enough to fill a room of that size. The new 57 seems to have had a very good review on WHF this weekend as well.
Monitor audio rx 6av12 makes an excellent partner to pioneer amps. Had my setup for a number of years now and it has performed flawlessly.
The piano black looks amazing too. I have gone the "all black theme " too. Sounds like we r going to have similar systems if you go ahead with the purchase. The outgoing lx 86 model will be available at ludicrous prices with the new model coming in. (only seen adverts for the new model)
With features, in my mind it's better to have than not... My 82 doesn't have all the bells and whistles of the newer models. Add an apple tv and you are pretty much there AirPlay iTunes and spotify across from an ithing. I still don't think I have gotthe very best from mine.. Life's priorities have changed a bit in the last while.
On the rx8s- I certainly think they are ott IMHO for your room size.
Look forward to hearing/seeing how it evolves.
The bigger the screen the better too. My 42" pioneer screen looks tiny compared to the new panny.
Keep us posted.
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Hi john1000000boy .just checked out the photos of your system .very nice sir.i know the optional black gloss costs quite a bit extra but god does it look good!!!
Havent seen any reviews of the pioneer lx87 yet .it seems the best choice for my monitor audio set up whatever i end up choosing .sick of speaking about it but i want it done right so i dont have to think about home cinema for a while
Is that a 65inch tv on your wall? It dosent look that big?
Also do a lot of you guys leave the speaker coverings off does it effect the sound quality coming out.
Thanks for that!! No I still need to update the pics in the thread. That is the old pioneer pdp 4280 that has been replaced by my new panny 65". It is a beast!! It now doesn't look that big, guests come to the house and comment on it all the time. My family are all used to it now I think... My wife thought we would have to sit out on the wall outside to watch it but it is a great size for the room.
The spkr grills are left on 99% of the time. They only come off when I am home alone, when no fingers can poke the drive units!
Still a few things to do on my settup. Including updating photos.
Meant to say the 1 thing that was most important in my settup was running the cables out of sight. It makes a huge difference IMHO and took a bit of thinking about...
Yeah a lot of people complain about running speaker cables etc after spending all that money I don't think a few hours of your time cleaning up the cables will kill you.
Wish panasonic had gave Europe the 65 inch version of the ZT ,the ST gets very good reviews it may be in the 2013 awards
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