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APEX V KEF LS50 5.1

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The recent award winning Kef LS50 is getting rave reviews which has got me considering a possible 5.1 AV package upgrade but more interestingly this package is at the same price point as the Monitor Audio Apex package (around £2500) , the LS50 package comes with the HTB2SE Sub but i imagine the Kefs would be better for music?

 

Any thoughts on this rather interesting match up??

 

 

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RE: APEX V KEF LS50 5.1

As long as you have a receiver that can take advantage of the LS50's capabilities, it'll certainly be a better package for music (as well as movies). 

Officially, there is no LS50 5.1 package, so there is no matching subwoofer, but there are a number of subs that will suit due to their clean presentation, and lower than average distortion.

The HTB2se is a good sub, and it'll certainly work fine with the LS50's, but it is being added to LS50 5.1 sustems to keep the price of the system as low as possible. But, the LS50's are capable of more. I would highly recommend using an R400b subwoofer, as this shares much of the audible benefits of the LS50's, and will compliment them better. If you don't want to stretch that far, the SVS SB12NSD is worth trying out. Again, its clean nature will suit the KEF's. And if you really want to make the most of them, the Ken Kreisel DXD808 will create a better cinema experience with it's greater headroom and detail.

in our main demo room, we're currently running an LS50 5.1 package with the DXD808, and have previously been running it with the HTB2se and R400b. I'm running the DXD12012 with my LS50 5.1 system. Fantastic combination for both movies and music.

The Apex is a great package, but it'll lose out to the LS50 package due to their size. Best thing to do is get a demo and see for yourself, and you can also choose the sub that's right for you.

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RE: APEX V KEF LS50 5.1

I have the Apex and have demoed the LS50's.The LS50's are indeed very good with movies I did not demo them with music.  It was a 5.0 set up with a KK DXD12012. I also think that the Apex are very good with both movies and music,I feel the Apex are not taken seriously enough as proper speakers because they are that good IMO.  

Would I upgrade from Apex to LS50's probably not as there isn't enough in it to justify the cost. 

What I will say is make sure you get a good sub with either of these speakers. I would recommend you consider either of the DXD subs. 

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RE: APEX V KEF LS50 5.1

Like the LS50's, the Apex benefit from an inert cabinet, which lets the drivers get on and do what they're supposed do Smile

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RE: APEX V KEF LS50 5.1

Is that price correct? Kef LS50 £800 x 5 = £4000!

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RE: APEX V KEF LS50 5.1

CraigDS wrote:

Is that price correct? Kef LS50 £800 x 5 = £4000!

£800 is for a pair of LS50.

You need 5 pcs. So that is 2.5 pair. Total is about  £2000.

Plus a  £500 sub-woofer would be around  £2500.

 

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RE: APEX V KEF LS50 5.1

It doesn't appear they can be wall mounted though which is a big negative IMO

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jcshutts wrote:

It doesn't appear they can be wall mounted though which is a big negative IMO

That's where the Apex come in to play! Wink  Highly flexible options of placement is one of the benefits.

However, I'm sure one still could mount the LS50's on a wallbracket/wallstand of some kind, although I don't think that would be the optimal way to place those speakers. One also has to remember that the port of the LS50 is on the back of the cabinet, as oppose to the Apex that are on the front.

Now, in terms of how they sound - I had a quick 2-channel demo this weekend and I must say I was impressed. Multi-channel I have no clue of as of yet, but I wouldn't mind a demo. If they would be worth selling my Apex system for I doubt, but you never know...

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RE: APEX V KEF LS50 5.1

I'm an idiot! Obviously they cost £800 per pair. I did wright that about 1am this morning. I'm very interested. 

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RE: APEX V KEF LS50 5.1

RickyDeg wrote:
If they would be worth selling my Apex system for I doubt, but you never know...

You can't do that, you'd have to start a completely new "The LS50 Club" thread! Think of the work you've put in!

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ric71 wrote:
It was a 5.0 set up with a KK DXD12012.

Eh?  Quest

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RE: APEX V KEF LS50 5.1

jcshutts wrote:
It doesn't appear they can be wall mounted though which is a big negative IMO

They've not really been designed for wall mounting. The port is on the back of the speaker for a number of reasons, which outweigh the negatives of it being on the front.

Saying that, my rear left and right are up against a solid wall with only a few inches gap with only the outer bungs in and I've not had any bass issues.

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Could it be done though? I am recreating the room which will involve shaping walls. If it meant creating a space at the back for the port, is there a wall bracket that would work with them???

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RE: APEX V KEF LS50 5.1

The_Lhc wrote:

RickyDeg wrote:
If they would be worth selling my Apex system for I doubt, but you never know...

You can't do that, you'd have to start a completely new "The LS50 Club" thread! Think of the work you've put in!

Putting work into something when it's fun is a good thing  sticking out tongue

And instead of selling it I could always keep the Apex and use as a bedroom system Wink

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RE: APEX V KEF LS50 5.1

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jcshutts wrote:
It doesn't appear they can be wall mounted though which is a big negative IMO

They've not really been designed for wall mounting. The port is on the back of the speaker for a number of reasons, which outweigh the negatives of it being on the front.

Saying that, my rear left and right are up against a solid wall with only a few inches gap with only the outer bungs in and I've not had any bass issues.

Agreed.

I rear mount my rear cm1's and previously 781's, both of which are also rear ported.

You can get away with it for rears, but the trick is to set the cross over high enough to reduce bass reflections.

I've not tried it on the front though.

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RE: APEX V KEF LS50 5.1

Sliced Bread wrote:
FrankHarveyHiFi wrote:
jcshutts wrote:
It doesn't appear they can be wall mounted though which is a big negative IMO
They've not really been designed for wall mounting. The port is on the back of the speaker for a number of reasons, which outweigh the negatives of it being on the front. Saying that, my rear left and right are up against a solid wall with only a few inches gap with only the outer bungs in and I've not had any bass issues.
Agreed. I rear mount my rear cm1's and previously 781's, both of which are also rear ported. You can get away with it for rears, but the trick is to set the cross over high enough to reduce bass reflections. I've not tried it on the front though.

There is also the issue of imaging.

Can't comment on those specific models, but in many cases most speakers perform considerably better a bit away from any room boundary, period, purely for the sake of imaging and that 'airy' presence in the soundfield. Naturally, this can depend on several issues. Most of us without dedicated rooms are often forced to compromise with multi-channel set-up's however. Then there are of course some speaker configurations that are constructed to be placed near a wall to perform at their best. 

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