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RE: You ain't nothing but a hound cat.

Clare Newsome wrote:

All animals are equal....

Have you ABXed them?

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RE: You ain't nothing but a hound cat.

 

dog

bog

bot

bat

cat

 

Simples.

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Ok, the point is that digital data doesn't change, not in any way shape or form, whatever way it's being transported to the DAC, be that via a USB cable, coax cable or any kind of digital audio cable, or of course wirelessly.

So Elvis will of course only say dog and not cat  Smile, but by the same token, the other parts of the recording will also always be exactly the same, bass, soundstage, highs, etc.

Changing a digital cable will never make any difference to sound quality, nor will changing a method of streaming, pre DAC, everything digital is always exactly the same.

 

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maxflinn wrote:

Ok, the point is that digital data doesn't change, not in any way shape or form, whatever way it's being transported to the DAC, be that via a USB cable, coax cable or any kind of digital audio cable, or of course wirelessly.

So Elvis will of course only say dog and not cat  Smile, but by the same token, the other parts of the recording will also always be exactly the same, bass, soundstage, highs, etc.

Changing a digital cable will never make any difference to sound quality, nor will changing a method of streaming, pre DAC, everything digital is always exactly the same.

 

The same can be said for every single one of your posts.

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maxflinn wrote:

Ok, the point is that digital data doesn't change, not in any way shape or form, whatever way it's being transported to the DAC, be that via a USB cable, coax cable or any kind of digital audio cable, or of course wirelessly.

So Elvis will of course only say dog and not cat  Smile, but by the same token, the other parts of the recording will also always be exactly the same, bass, soundstage, highs, etc.

Changing a digital cable will never make any difference to sound quality, nor will changing a method of streaming, pre DAC, everything digital is always exactly the same.

 

 

That's not entirely true...

 

A cable can measureably change a digital signal, especially in the antiquated SPDIF format which for some reason is designed so that the connectors can never be a true 75ohms which causes reflections which can cause jitter which DOES change the digital signal.  Whether or not it's audible is a different matter.

 

This is less of an issue as lots of people are doing away with connections altogether, which is where this argument has a little weight.  That said, for example, Apple TV has demonstrably been measured to not be bit-perfect in transfer and if you use digital volume controls in your computer based systems, that can seriously knacker things too.

 

Don't get me wrong, I don't believe in cables (even analogue ones Wink) but if you're going to make sweeping generalisations you should really know what you're talking about...

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nawty wrote:

Don't get me wrong, I don't believe in cables (even analogue ones Wink) but if you're going to make sweeping generalisations you should really know what you're talking about...

 

That's the problem in a nutshell...

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Changing a digital cable will never make any difference to sound quality, nor will changing a method of streaming, pre DAC, everything digital is always exactly the same.

That is true, max, but you never get to hear the digital bit, do you?  

It is turning it back into real life - i.e. analogue - that causes the problems.  And that's why everything sounds different, streamer -v- streamer, DAC -v- DAC. 

It seems simple enough to me.

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RE: You ain't nothing but a deaf EDITED.

Apart from it not being true at all, of course.

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RE: You ain't nothing but a deaf twit.

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Apart from it not being true at all, of course.

Not sure if you're joking, but happy to be corrected, JD.  Or do you mean the digital cable bit that max asserted?

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Is it a full moon tonight? I seem to have entered some bizarre parallel universe.

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nopiano wrote:

John Duncan wrote:
Apart from it not being true at all, of course.

Not sure if you're joking, but happy to be corrected, JD.  Or do you mean the digital cable bit that max asserted?

Not that bit specifically, even though digital cables carry analogue signals, but the statement that wireless transmission can't affect anything or that everything digital is always exactly the same, which demonstrates (IMO) a complete absence of understanding of his supposed specialist subject.

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Andy Clough wrote:

I seem to have entered some bizarre parallel universe.

Yea, I had that feeling too when I saw this thread!

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RE: You ain't nothing but a deaf twit.

John Duncan wrote:

nopiano wrote:

John Duncan wrote:
Apart from it not being true at all, of course.

Not sure if you're joking, but happy to be corrected, JD.  Or do you mean the digital cable bit that max asserted?

Not that bit specifically, even though digital cables carry analogue signals, but the statement that wireless transmission can't affect anything or that everything digital is always exactly the same, which demonstrates (IMO) a complete absence of understanding of his supposed specialist subject.

 

This has got less interesting now people are taking it seriously. Can we have some more pictures of funny looking dogs please?

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Some people see black and white, feeling protected by a constant repetition of what they believe to be absolutes.  The canny are prepared to see the shades of grey, they are prepared for the sands to shift and to look at things from different points of view.

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RE: You ain't nothing but a deaf twit.

John Duncan wrote:

nopiano wrote:

John Duncan wrote:
Apart from it not being true at all, of course.

Not sure if you're joking, but happy to be corrected, JD.  Or do you mean the digital cable bit that max asserted?

Not that bit specifically, even though digital cables carry analogue signals, but the statement that wireless transmission can't affect anything or that everything digital is always exactly the same, which demonstrates (IMO) a complete absence of understanding of his supposed specialist subject.

 

Hi JD, wireless transmission is the same as wired as far as the digits are concerned, they'll get to the DAC as they should and all is fine and dandy, or they won't and there'll be obvious results such as dropouts, and everytime a track (like hound dog  Smile) is replayed from a digital file it will indeed sound exactly the same, unless of course something is changed that effects sound, like speakers, but not digital cables which do not effect sound.

This isn't my specialist subject btw  Smile

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