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Hi,

I currently have an Arcam Alpha 8 integrated amp, and have seen an Alpha 8 power amp for sale. Is it worth buying one? I have Tannoy Mercury F1 custom speakers that can't be bi-wired. Any advice would be great!

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Re: Worth buying a power amp?

sounds like you have no need of it.

why do you want it?

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Re: Worth buying a power amp?

If you can't biamp, then IMHO opinion, No!

When you get some better speakers then a big yes.

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Re: Worth buying a power amp?

Get some new speakers and then the 8P - fantastic pairing! I used to have them! Very musical and the addition of the power in a biamp set up makes it all snap into place...using one as a power alone is v good too.

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Bi-amping isn't the only reason to run a power amp guys. It's also for if you need more, erm, power. More power means you can have a more dynamic and expansive sound, better bass and a fuller sound at lower listening levels. Remember that speakers with 4 binding posts are a relatively new phenomenen and, ahem, pretty pointless in the majority of cases. Extra power, however, is necessary for all that I've mentioned and for driving difficult speakers.

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Re: Worth buying a power amp?

Thanks for the suggestions guys, sounds like it would be worth me picking one up if i happened to find one for a good price as i may have use for it now and almost certainly would in the future 

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Re: Worth buying a power amp?

The 8P has exactly the same power output as the 8 integrated, so I can see no point in adding it with your current speakers. But buying one against a future purchase of biampable speakers may be sensible. 

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Re: Worth buying a power amp?

Hi

Don't have any Arcam kit so can't comment directly, but I did add a power amp to my set-up recently for exactly the reasons that Wild Willy outlined and the impact was tremendous!

I can drive my speakers much more effectively now.

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Re: Worth buying a power amp?

Arcam Alpha 8 and 9 are now making a great come back!  Since questions after question has been asked in here, the 2nd hand price rise is now noticable.  I haven't heard them since mid 90's.... may be i should join the trend.

 

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user="Thaiman" wrote:
Arcam Alpha 8 and 9 are now making a great come back!

 

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user="Thaiman" wrote:

Arcam Alpha 8 and 9 are now making a great come back!  Since questions after question has been asked in here, the 2nd hand price rise is now noticable.  I haven't heard them since mid 90's.... may be i should join the trend.

 

They are and the prices on Ebay are reflecting that

I think that people find Arcam a good way in to hi-fi seperates and then go from there. Same with NAD and Marantz.

To a non-audiophile, the Arcam sound is very pleasing and as long as its paired with good speakers, you cant really go wrong.

Looking at Ebay over the last few weeks has seriously tempted me to sell my Arcam Alpha 9 set-up and move across to MF seperates!

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user="d_a_n1979" wrote:
To a non-audiophile, the Arcam sound is very pleasing and as long as its paired with good speakers

 

LOL....Dan, Mr. Slim wouldn't be please to read that, non-audiophile!

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user="Thaiman" wrote:

user="d_a_n1979" wrote:
To a non-audiophile, the Arcam sound is very pleasing and as long as its paired with good speakers

 

LOL....Dan, Mr. Slim wouldn't be please to read that, non-audiophile!

Haha...

What im trying to say is that the Arcam sound is smooth but still bery detailed and powerful so gives a very good impression of seperates. If you were to go straight into a bright system i think it would put alot of people off.. Especially if theyve been sat at home with their Awia system playing away...

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Re: Worth buying a power amp?

user="d_a_n1979" wrote:
user="Thaiman" wrote:

user="d_a_n1979" wrote:
To a non-audiophile, the Arcam sound is very pleasing and as long as its paired with good speakers

 

LOL....Dan, Mr. Slim wouldn't be please to read that, non-audiophile!

Haha...

What im trying to say is that the Arcam sound is smooth but still bery detailed and powerful so gives a very good impression of seperates. If you were to go straight into a bright system i think it would put alot of people off.. Especially if theyve been sat at home with their Awia system playing away...

Why do we have to go into a bright system at all, let alone straight in? If I were a millionaire I would still want a warm system, that's my preference. Whether a system is warm or bright has nothing to do with how 'good' it is.

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Can somneone chuck me a shovel or a spade, i seem to be digging myself into a bloody big hole lol...

I'm not saying that you will go into a bright system straight away. Im saying that for people who dont know about hifi seperates etc, they may be sold a system thats not suited to their listening and wont realise how much time and effort it takes to demo systems and to find the right seperates that suit them and their music.

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Re: Worth buying a power amp?

i know what you're saying Dan dont worry Smile

I've entered the world of hi-fi from a standing start and really appreciated the advise of people on here when buying my system. I especially appreciated Dan's advice which lead me to buying an absolute mint condition arcam alpha 8 from ebay. I paired this with Tannoy custom f1's, some silver anniversary speaker cable and a decent QED interconnect to my pc and i am very happy with the result!

However, I now want to take it upto the next level (as we all do i'm sure!)

I listen to music at quite low level volume (due to living in a flat and having a good relationship with my neighbours and the fact i work in the hearing industry and dont particularly want to go deaf Smile), my music is driven from my pc and is in very good bitrate, lowest i have is 320kbps mp3 and about 30% (and climbing) is now lossless flac. Of course its still nice to have some bite for the occasional blast!

I could move my system to the living room but i tend to listen to most of my music when im on my pc anyway so i dont feel the need. This is going quite far off topic now but this question has been on my mind for a while now.

Whats the next logical step to improve my listening experience?

My speakers are positioned about 3 ft in front of me and about 3 ft apart, with about 6" gap beween the wall at the back and a similar distance to the side wall for one of the speakers. Movement is limited due to the small room. So where would you go from here? My thoughts are:

1. Buy a DAC - to bypass my soundcard

2. Buy new speakers (any suggestions?)

3. Buy a new amp (either a totally new one or a arcam 8 poweramp?)

4. Buy stands for speakers (they currently sit on a solidish woodern desk but this would mean a bit of room repositioning)

5. Something i hadn't thought of.

In terms of budget i am happy to spend £300 a year so it can be a work in progress, even if someone says lose the speakers or amp ill not be upset cause im sure these would make great backs for a 5.1 home cinema one day

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