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RE: Wiring, Nordost or Audioquest way?

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 But they design and sell cables so what would they know?

they'd know that they will say anything to sell more cables.  It's called advertising.

 

It's nice to see a reasoned and balanced argument with no sweeping statements........Shisters, the lot of 'em  Wink

"We should no more let numbers define audio quality than we should let chemical analysis be the arbiter of fine wines."  Nelson Pass

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CnoEvil wrote:

cheeseboy wrote:

SiUK wrote:

 But they design and sell cables so what would they know?

they'd know that they will say anything to sell more cables.  It's called advertising.

 

It's nice to see a reasonable and balanced argument with no sweeping statements........Shisters, the lot of 'em  Wink

 

of course, a paper funded and written by a company that supports their sales is not going to be biased in the slightest is it? Wink  Unless you care to show me a paper written and funded by a cable company that says all cables are the same to show some kind of balance ?? Wink

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SiUK wrote:

That's akin to selective hearing.

 

There's a really good article by Audioquest called 'Cable Theory. Theory vs Evidence'. I read it some time ago and found it to be a very balanced and intelligent examination of this topic considering their position. But they design and sell cables so what would they know?

 

I tend not to read the religious-style rants as they are invariably circular and you end up just going round and round someone else's prejudices. ..fruitlessly. Balanced examination does it for me.

In the spirit of balance, on one side we have the work done by Cavendish, Ohm, Volta and Ampere in the late 1700s and early 1800s on basic conduction, followed by the work on electromagnetic radiation by James Clerk Maxwell in the mid 1800s. On the other side of the balance we have:

http://www.audioquest.com/pdfs/aq_cable_theory.pdf 

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You are of course quite at liberty to believe whatever you like - even in the absence of any scientific proof. 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_ignorance

Oh well; it looks like I'm going to have to stop hearing what I'm hearing, until science catches up.  :shifty:

Cno,

I admire your staying power. At just over 10,000 posts, you must be WHF's most prolific poster. At the very least, you should get a free subscription to the mag.  As you pass this milestone, perhaps you could reflect on:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occams_razor

In essence, it suggests the simplest explanation is most likely to be correct. My view is that given the lack of technical basis for the cable effects described on this forum, that it is most likely that the listeners are subject to some form of bias, and the differences that are heard are not real.

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CnoEvil wrote:

cheeseboy wrote:

SiUK wrote:

 But they design and sell cables so what would they know?

they'd know that they will say anything to sell more cables.  It's called advertising.

 

It's nice to see a reasoned and balanced argument with no sweeping statements........Shisters, the lot of 'em  Wink

Yes the sweeping statements aren't helpful but you aren't going to see "We make directional cables.  They don't work but we'd love you to buy them." 

Chris

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andyjm wrote:

Cno,

I admire your staying power. At just over 10,000 posts, you must be WHF's most prolific poster. At the very least, you should get a free subscription to the mag.  As you pass this milestone, perhaps you could reflect on:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occams_razor

In essence, it suggests the simplest explanation is most likely to be correct. My view is that given the lack of technical basis for the cable effects described on this forum, that it is most likely that the listeners are subject to some form of bias, and the differences that are heard are not real.

My primary aim on here is not to argue about cables, but if possible, help where I can with (hopefully) interesting and appropriate system suggestions / advice.....and learn about products that I haven't come across.

If people ask my opinion on cables, i will give it (and will qualify any advice with the suggestion to try before buying).......and it will be based on many hours of listening to a good variety of brands (on many different systems) and at a large range of prices. 

 

 

 

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of course, a paper funded and written by a company that supports their sales is not going to be biased in the slightest is it?

If that doesn't sum up the idiom, 'throw out the baby with the bath water' (for andyjm, there's a Wikipedia page for that I think) I don't know what does!

Really? Are some of you here so myopic you willing choose to elliminate anything that doesn't exactly fit in with your own limited (from what I have read here) knowledge? Wow! Are you really that arrogant? Talk about 'dark age' thinking! You could hardly consider that a proper scientific approach.

I suppose if I'd worded my post more carefully I may have avoided (probably not) the fundamentalists jumping in with their ridiculing nonsensical explanations...if you can call them explanations. So perhaps it is actually my fault for not being more explicit. I should probably have asked for contributions from open minded people ...you know, ones that don't start with an insult, and then link to a wikipedia page at the end of almost every reply.

Anyhow, pointless to continue this amongst such esteemed company so please feel free to have the last vapid word.

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of course, a paper funded and written by a company that supports their sales is not going to be biased in the slightest is it?

If that doesn't sum up the idiom, 'throw out the baby with the bath water' (for andyjm, there's a Wikipedia page for that I think) I don't know what does!

Really? Are some of you here so myopic you willing choose to elliminate anything that doesn't exactly fit in with your own limited (from what I have read here) knowledge? Wow! Are you really that arrogant? Talk about 'dark age' thinking! You could hardly consider that a proper scientific approach.

I suppose if I'd worded my post more carefully I may have avoided (probably not) the fundamentalists jumping in with their ridiculing nonsensical explanations...if you can call them explanations. So perhaps it is actually my fault for not being more explicit. I should probably have asked for contributions from open minded people ...you know, ones that don't start with an insult, and then link to a wikipedia page at the end of almost every reply.

Anyhow, pointless to continue this amongst such esteemed company so please feel free to have the last vapid word.

 

hypocrite. 

 

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This thread has descended into personal insults.

Mods, a quiet word with some of the more hot-headed posters perhaps?

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SiUK wrote:

Quote:
of course, a paper funded and written by a company that supports their sales is not going to be biased in the slightest is it?

If that doesn't sum up the idiom, 'throw out the baby with the bath water' (for andyjm, there's a Wikipedia page for that I think) I don't know what does!

Really? Are some of you here so myopic you willing choose to elliminate anything that doesn't exactly fit in with your own limited (from what I have read here) knowledge? Wow! Are you really that arrogant? Talk about 'dark age' thinking! You could hardly consider that a proper scientific approach.

I suppose if I'd worded my post more carefully I may have avoided (probably not) the fundamentalists jumping in with their ridiculing nonsensical explanations...if you can call them explanations. So perhaps it is actually my fault for not being more explicit. I should probably have asked for contributions from open minded people ...you know, ones that don't start with an insult, and then link to a wikipedia page at the end of almost every reply.

Anyhow, pointless to continue this amongst such esteemed company so please feel free to have the last vapid word.

SiUK,

I have provided clear and simple explanations about the jumper and wiring questions you posted, with which you seem to disagree.  In response to my asking for clarification, you referred to a manufacturers brochure (the link to which I posted). Perhaps if you could explain where I was going wrong with my understanding of jumper plates and associated wiring, we could then have a reasoned conversation.   

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