This probably sounds a bit sad, but the main reason that I use my Van Damme cable is that the colour matches my carpet perfectly and is almost invisible.
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Makes perfect sense
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Uncivilised? I don't care a hoot. This is a hi-fi forum after all. Steve and his ilk do 'choose to ignore' cos they consistently dictate to some of us who can hear a difference that we're losing our minds. And now he wants to evangelise and proselytise to us about speaker cables??? For the love of sound, please!!!!!!!! I certainly use Chord speaker cables, but you know what? I certainly won't be the one to shoot Steve and his gang in the other foot. Others like Record Spot seem more than capable of doing that.
Nobody is dictating anything of the sort, but you are behaving iike an uncivilised oaf. And don't bring me into the debate.
I used to use Audioquest Type IV, it got swapped out for some 400-strand OFC in a single wire configuration. Guess what, the 400-strand is still in place and works a treat, sounds it too. £13/metre against £18 all in for the same sound quality? Hello?!
Glad you like your Chord, now go take a chill pill.
Look RS , you popped up your head with the 1998 remark ok? Can we just agree to stay out of each other's way? You brought yourself into the debate, and Steve DOES dictate that we're hearing things in our head when we can tell differences, if you can't fathom that you can call me uncivilised. And you missed my point completely about speaker cable - that I don't necessarily disagree with Steve as I spent extra money on Chord speaker cable. So you've been copying CDs since 2003? Big deal, I bought my first recorder in 2000. And back in 2002 when WinXP was released I copied test CDs using WMA rips at 128k (the Windows default back then using XP's built-in CD copy facility) and it sounded awful. And at the time I was reading no articles in hifi magazines about compressed music. If there were any it completely passed me by.
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Now, that would be an excellent reason for me too. The visibility is the main difference vs. interconnects or mains cables, for instance.
proof that Cno is right
What does a link to another forum prove?
That Americans have better ears/more money than sense
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Maybe this is what was being referred to: http://www.nordost.com/default/pdf/hifiplus_issue34.pdf
ie. Blind test of cables.
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Good man....there will soon be enough of us to start a Cardas owners thread!
IMO that is one of the most sensible posts in this thread.
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I have a question about speaker cables. Maybe someone here would be kind enough to asnwer it for me.
The job of a speaker cable is a very simple one - all it has to do is carry an audio signal from the amplifier to the speakers. With the right equipment it's possible to measure the audio signal coming out of the amplifier and compare it to the audio signal coming out of the speaker cable. By doing this it's been proven beyond any doubt that when using a bog standard copper speaker cable the audio signal coming out of it is virtually identical to the audio signal coming out of the amplifier*. Using this method it's been proven that the amount of distortion added by a standard copper speaker cable is so vanishingly small that these minuscule levels of distortion are well below the levels that any human being is able to hear.
This is why all standard speaker cables sound exactly the same*. They don't add any noticable distortion so they all sound the same because they can't make the original signal any better than it already is.
So, here is my question: If a standard speaker cable is able to transmit an audio signal from an amplifier to a speaker without adding any noticable distortion, then what is being added or removed from the audio signal that makes an expensive audiophile cable sound different?
* provided that the cables aren't too long and the guage is suitably thick.
From what I can tell, Cardas says different, with measurements (comparing input / output signals) here: http://www.cardas.com/content.php?area=insights&content_id=10&pagestring...
If you look at the MIT (rather convoluted) video, it (I think) also explains why, what comes out one end, may not be the same as what goes in.
I'm not sure I can make the case any better.....and now, thanks to Helmut 80, there is even a blind test showing clear differences as well.
Everything that I've read says that the amount of distortion added by a standard copper speaker cable is vanishingly small. Well below the levels that any human being is able to hear.
The only places that say a cable will add a noticeable amount of distortion is the audiophile cable companies. They always seem to try and confuse the situation by burying the information in scinentific sounding mumbo jumbo and they always conveniently forget to include any real and meaningful scientific measurments such as the capacitance or inductance specifications of the cables.
I'm sure that if you asked any competent electronics engineer who doesn't work for a audiophile grade speaker cable company they will give you a very different answer to what Cardas says.
I agree with you that it's possible to hear a difference with some speaker cables.
If people want to change the tone of the hifi buy using different cables and they like the sound of slightly phase distorted speakers cables them good for them. Really, if that's what makes them happy then I sincerely hope they enjoy their hifi. After all people do have the choice to spend their money on whatever they like so good for them.
All that I'm trying to explain here (from a scientific point of view) is exactly what it is that's causing the difference is that they're hearing.
I think we've established that speaker cables can sound different. The important question is whether they should.
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Is scientific mumbo jumbo defined as something that you don't understand and which doesn't fit your world view?
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