Silver or copper cables (which IMO is the biggest difference in speaker wire)?!
Simple is best!
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Yup! Keeps it easy.
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Yes, as i've said simple is best
Btw, i never thought of you as one to 'adopt' Anyway the first part is - Keep it simple.
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All dielectrics slow down the signal velocity, with the best slowing down the least.....a faster cable provides more information.
- According to Atlas, the 3 factors that influence the quality of a cable are:
1] Conductor material specifications. 2] Insulation specification. 3] Plug design and construction materials.
- The purity of the conductor is determined by the purity of the ingot, which itself is roughly related to the grain boundaries present in the final conductor. This is measured in Nines (N) - 99.99 (4N); 99.997 (5N). The highest currently available is 7N.
- Since high frequency signals occupy the periphery of the conductor, poor quality dielectrics reduce the velocity of this signal, resulting in a sound which is biased towards the mid and low frequency.
- Unless addressed, cables are effected by the adverse effects of microphony.
- Cardas also make the point that dielectrics can't pass charge as fast as conductors. The VOP of solid and bare stranded conductors is about 127% of the best dielectric. How you balance this difference is key to cable quality.
- The signal used by your system, whether digital or analogue, is always AC, which according to Cardas, vibrates the wire in your system like strumming of a guitar string. This form of resonance distorts the audio signal and produces many sound anomalies from coloured bass to glare. Every cable has its own resonant signature. Like the mass, tension and hardness of the guitar string, the mass, tension and hardness of the conductor, coupled with its inductance, resistance and capacitance of the cable, determine what sound is made.
- When the cable linking the audio components together imparts its own sound, the audio signal is corrupted.
- Matching the speed of the signal in the conductor with the speed of the dielectric has advantages, like eliminating electromechanical resonance and eliminating ring at source.
- Cardas says there are easily performed measurements that show the difference between cables and with a little experience you can even predict sound anomalies by looking at wave form characteristics and input / output comparisons (eg. using a Tetronics TDS 350).
I have not suddenly come over all technical, but this is just some of what Atlas and Cardas deem important......I can't tell how much of it is spin....but you did ask!
My understand of electronics is quite basic and most of the stuff mentioned above is beyond my level of understanding.
I always like to have a high level of confidence that what I'm saying is correct so I won't pass comment on anything that I don't fully understand.
But having said that some of those points do seem a bit, erm, questionable...
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I only mentioned this to show that there "may" be more to how a cable works than meets the eye (and because you showed an interest). Like you, I can't tell how important this stuff is, which is why I go and listen and so make my judgement on that. I don't really care how it works, as long as it does (in my mind anyway).
As for the TQ cables, the manufacturer may claim to solve phase issues. I've not seen any evidence of how their cables do this - inparticular what their cables do for phase that say, for instance, £1.08 per metre 742 strand copper figure 8 cable doesn't.
Why not try and borrow some TQ Black.....I would be interested in what you think.
Yes, I'd be happy to try some TQ Black. Does anyone have a 20 metre stereo set I could borrow?
I think it would be a bit unfair of me to borrow some from a dealer as it's highly unlikely that I'd buy this cable new as 20 metres would set me back about £1500 - which would be 10 times what I paid for the amplifier in the system I'd be testing it in.
Isn't that the gear that stands up to stuff costing many hundreds or thousands more though? Should be worth a run then!
You make a good point, Sir.
This is what I struggle badly with when TQ Black is mentioned. Don't doubt it is a quality cable, but unless you have a 20k system you're probably better off spending elsewhere.
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PP, there is a big difference in the cost of 1.5m (like I use), and 20m.
IIRC There is somebody on here who was so impressed that they got TQ Black with a Brio R.....so I don't think you can generalize. If you love the way your system sounds, it is possible that better cables will bring a VFM upgrade that is cheaper than a component change....otherwise its not worth doing.
IMO. If your souce (and possibly speakers) were upgraded, your system is certainly good enough that it would be worth trying (by borrowing).......ie. it is (imo) the last area where money should be spent.
You are a person with integrity, Cno. I can't really argue against your comments because you've heard so much more than me, but I can only counter with my own personal experiences.
I'm sure there are those who like the TQs with budget/midrange set-ups, now whether the uplift is enough to justify the fairly hefty cost of these bits of spaghetti or not is purely a personal thing.
Given that most learned folk advise spending 10-15% of your total budget, then buying a few mtrs of TQ blows that theory out of the window.
I dunno. Yes, as with your set-up then TQs are well worth the spend.
I'm not so much a naysayer, just someone who likes a pragmatic approach.
Exactly so; which is why I stated that it would make most sense after a source and (possibly) speaker upgrade.....otherwise there would be a bigger improvement with a component upgrade.
Now if you had a Linn Sneaky and some Totem Arros, it would be worth considering!
Nb A 1.5m set of TQ Black S/C is £141
Totaly agree wiht you Frog!!
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I agree with CnoEvil about Cardas - I just yesterday replaced my Wireworld Eclispse 6 speaker cables with Cardas Clear Light. Amazing improvement. Much greater detail and warmer sound.
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