People might be buying more actives, but that's to hang of their computers on their desk or to drop their iphones into. You'd probably find that active sales outside this and the professional market haven't risen much at all, partly because they are not suited to Home Cinema which contributes to a lot of sales.
The PMC take is correct, in that they stress a top quality active system will always beat a top quality passive system, but there are an awful lot of below average systems around, and there is a high proce to pay for good actives. If you take the big three in domestic hifi as being Dynaudio, B&O and ATC, there isn't that much readily available. Obviously there is AVI, but I'm guessing their market share is tiny compared to the others. Given that the brands mentioned are not especially cheap, you are stuck for choice. Yes, there are the pro speakers, but these aren't ideal for home, in that their voicing, and their looks, don't really endear themselves to the sitting room.
The other problem is flexibility. You need a preamp if you want the inputs commonly required - phono, TV, computer/streamer, CD player, Blue Ray and turntable. Don't think there's any active with a built-in preamp that has that many inputs, so you're not saving on boxes, though you are doubling up on cables.
I'm inclined to think that passives are going to continue to be around for a long, long time. Apart from the fact they're not as flawed as some would like to make out, if you buy active speakers then decide you don't like the voicing, you have to change everything. That doesn't come cheaply.
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The PMC take is correct, in that they stress a top quality passive system will always beat a top quality passive system, but there are an awful lot of below average systems around, and there is a high proce to pay for good actives. If you take the big three in domestic hifi as being Dynaudio, B&O and ATC, there isn't that much readily available. Obviously there is AVI, but I'm guessing their market share is tiny compared to the others. Given that the brands mentioned are not especially cheap, you are stuck for choice. Yes, there are the pro speakers, but these aren't ideal for home, in that their voicing, and their looks, don't really endear themselves to the sitting room.
I can't edit that for you but I'm sure you would like to.
The AVI ADM 40 has 4 digital [optical] and 2 analogue [stereo] inputs so can accomodate a great deal of sources. Not cheap though, before anyone chimes in.
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No, can't edit, too late. Such is life, as Ned was reputed to have said.
You are describing a very small group of people who represent one very small company making only two active speaker systems. They are hardly representative of the entire market. Of that small group only a very few actively try to cause trouble.
Active speakers are made by ATC, Dynaudio, PMC, Meridian, Bang & Olufsen, Genelec, KEF, Bowers & Wilkins, Acoustic Energy, Yamaha, Focal, Tannoy, Linn, M-Audio, Naim .... etc. etc...
...and many more companies I haven't listed because they aren't that well known here, or I haven't remembered them, or aren't distributed in the UK or are far more well known in the pro audio world, or brands that have only just started in the field of active systems (like Moos Audio).
I wouldn't get hung up on the behaviour of a tiny number of 'noisy' enthusiasts (for one company) out of the huge numbers of (often very well-known) manufacturers who have been making active systems (pro and domestic) for anything between 30+ years and last week.
What is new (or at least recent) is the demand from a generation of people who grew up with computer based music, PC speakers, MP3 players, headphones, smartphones etc. and are now getting to an age when they can afford serious, quality audio.
They won't - on the whole - want to get into seperates because it has never been on their 'radar' and they wouldn't have any time (or room) for racks of components like their dads and grandads enjoyed.
Sounds good, except that demand for those systems is disappearing at an alarming rate (along with the dealers who sell them). It follows that the number of companies serving traditional, seperates hi-fi needs will either die out with most of their stock (and customers eventually), or will adapt to the world of the 'all-one-one' boxes like B&W A7s and other compact, high quality, computer based, active systems that don't make unwelcome demands on space or accessories (cables and other fiff-faff), and are 'tweak free'. (Tweaking ultimately means you got the wrong system or the system is failing you.)
Some active fare is still designed for the studio and/or teenage boy's bedroom 'aesthetic' but there is a significant trend towards domestically acceptable equivalents from both traditional hi-fi companies and the pro sector.
You have a rather annoying habit of quoting peoples posts out of context, I have never said that all actives products are inferior to passives.
my main complaint is that a number of posters will rant on about AVI mainly as soon as any kind of passive speaker mensioned,
As for tweaking *I have not changed my system for a few years now but I have the option to do so if i wish.
If memory serves me right you had a good turntable in your system befors you decided ( or was decided for you ) to reduce your boxes, can't see that
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+1. Nice post.
Are you bored too?
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In fairness, the ranting usually comes from the anti AVI perspective. Pro AVI usually just recommend the product and then the 'fun' begins.
Perhaps in the interests of balance, someone could list all of the active speakers that have an acceptable traditional hifi look.
In addition, ones that perhaps could be used as an entire system, so include preamp and DAC.
Budget up to £2K to give a bit of slack.
When the list is compiled, have a look at and give consideration to, any shortcomings between the products and then it might be obvious why ADMs are recommended so much.
That would be the new Kefs, but they're too cheap, the Dynaudio XEOS, again cheap but allow you to use your own DAC/CD player/turntable etc, the new Genelecs with DSP - might be more, don't know the price, the B&W desktops, and those speakers from an obscure company somewhere in Gloucestershire
Is that Acoustic Energy?
I think he might be referring to Quested.
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my main complaint is that a number of posters will rant on about AVI mainly as soon as any kind of passive speaker mentioned,
The people who talk about AVI are normally owners of their products. They are exceptionally pleased with the performance and VFM and share their experience with others who may also benefit from the information/experience.
Until the hifi press and dealers get themselves into the current century, that is 21st - no longer the 20th, there is little opportunity for people to learn about or have active systems recommended to them. It is only passing on ownership and experience of a better way of listening, it isn't a plot to bring down the free world.
You are happy with what you have, apparantly, so why do you fear a little contrary opinion from getting some air-time?
It seems to me that the manufactuer / CEO or whatever he is was banned from this forum.
So the mantra taken up by the puppets who drone on and continue to hijack genuine members who are posting various questions about speakers to me very suspicious.
As I have posted before I think my system is brilliant, but I don't keep banging on about it....................
I've posted on this thread and appreciate the advantages of actives, am I a puppet? Is my behaviour suspicious?
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I know... quite frankly it's becoming boring.
Not so boring that you couldn't resist reading or posting about it though.
I think you'll find I posted about the original subject then skipped through all the dross till I read Singslingers comments.
The active pasiv subject has been done to death. At the end of the day there's no better or worse, it's whatever floats your boat.
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