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RE: Why are older world-class CD players so darn cheap...

I have said this many times before the CD5 63 KI - Sig STILL is an incredibly fantastic sounding CD player, I actually think the transport in this CDP is far superior to anything under £1000 today!

Its a very detailed player, and many of my CDS from years ago have never sounded as good as they did on the Ki-Sig - even when I was using an Apollo R as a transport & Rega DAC it was good, but still not all the detail was being revelaed!

However since I have been streaming ALAC directly to a Rega DAC via USB from my NAS, normal service has been resumed and the combo sounds better than any CD player I have owned  - and yes I did own a CD63 Ki-Sig back in1998, then a CD6004 then the Apollo R.

 

 

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For most people a spend of £200 on a part mechanical device that is getting very old is just not a safe bet.  At the age they are, you could buy from THE most honest seller and next week it could fail.  So less people taking the risk depresses prices further and so it goes on.

Glad you are still enjoying your cd player.  I'm sure part of the 'quality' is down to long term ownership, being used to the sound and the physical interaction of putting a cd on, BUT, who gives a ##it if your ears are having a great time.

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cannibal_ox77 wrote:
keep hearing about this legendary 63ki - how would it compare to WHF's favourite budget player the CD6004 for example? With all those years of technological advancement between the players, does it stand up well, or even outperform it?

 

That I can't say, because I haven't heard any of Marantz's new machines up against it. The most recent new machine I've tested against it is a NAD C 525BEE, which is my dad's player and iirc cost around £300.  I was using my Cyrus 2 + PSX combo at the time and I plugged-up the NAD into the Aux input so I could do quick A-B comparisons without having to faff-around swapping leads. I remember thinking the NAD sounded brilliant, until you played the same CD on the Marantz, and that sounded in the next league.  But, I'll hear the argument that the 63KI might not be better, it's just producing a familiar sound that my ears and expectations have moulded to, like wearing an old favourite pair of slippers. So that probably means that there is no straight answer, you need to listen to it yourself and decide.

As for the years of technical advancement...got to say that since the mid 1990's, I'm not really sure there's been much in CD replay, other than to make things cheaper and smaller with more surface-mounted chips taking the place of masses of conventional components. 

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I have the 63SE and I thought about changing it for the 6004 and was advised by various people that I should not as the 63SE is still better. Also read a few users reviews and they said the 63SE is better. The 63II KI will be slightly better than the 63SE. 

I think the 63II KI would be closer to the Pearl Lite than the 6004.

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I did not realise that the Rotel RCD-965BX was a 'legend' - it was my first CDP before the tray started playing up. 

So I put it in my loft for posterity and replaced it with the Rega Apollo that has no tray. 

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Hi JR

      I would be interested to know what you think of the apollo compared to the rotel.

       thanks tonky

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Amazing player in its day by all accounts, but I won't be moving from my SA7001-KI anytime soon!

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tonky wrote:

Hi JR

      I would be interested to know what you think of the apollo compared to the rotel.

       thanks tonky

Hi tonky - the Rotel was recommended by Audio Excellence in Cardiff (now Audio T) - I seem to remember it was CDP of the year 1992. From 2002 it was connected to my Rega Brio until I purchased the Apollo in January 2010. I only purchased a new CDP because the tray was playing up, and it was getting a little stuck sometimes trying to read a CD when first loading it.

 At £430 I expected the Apollo to be better than an 18 year old CDP (I didn't read forums in those days!) and generally I remember it being clearer. The synergy between Rega components maybe was a factor too. I had also recently moved the HiFi into a new much larger (bare walls, no furnishings) room after our extension had been built - so room dynamics was another factor possibly. Sorry, I'm not the best at analysing and detailing the differences in SQ. 

I am very pleased with the Apollo, it's the last component I would change now and I suspect that unless it breaks I will be using it for many years to come. If I get really bored I could get the Rotel out of the roof and compare it against the Apollo but I've got plenty of other things to do further up my list (upgrading TT, setting up NAS).

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jonathanrebecca wrote:
Sorry, I'm not the best at analysing and detailing the differences in SQ.

No-one here is either.

Don't apologise for it.

 

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