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altruistic.lemon wrote:

Yeah, but which ones have you heard doing all this? Same with timing. does an amp really have influence on this? In fact, does any component? Can we name and shame?

What's the point as it's so personal, and you only end up in a row, or upsetting someone.

It is not a shock to people on here that I like Class A and Valves, a few AB amps and even fewer Class D amps.

If you want to get a taste of the way I like an amp to sound, try to get a listen to the AMS 35i or even better Primo / AMS 50.

I'm not a great fan of the Naim sound, but they do have good PRaT.....which gives "life" to the music.

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Yeah, but which ones have you heard doing all this? Same with timing. does an amp really have influence on this? In fact, does any component? Can we name and shame?

From my experience an amp or source can affect this.

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Are distortion figures not printed in most hifi product specifications?

Measurements will show distortion or artifacts, but wether or not you can actually hear and identify them is another matter entirely, which is where 'audibly transparent' comes in.

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Nah, CNO, swapped the Naim for an Electrocompaniet, Class A jobby, then sold that for the Pioneer. Really not much difference if any. Had Musical Fidelity before, in Oz, don't rate them.

In the end, it's the speakers that make the difference, amps just peripheral. Whoops, off now, b**ger.

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altruistic.lemon wrote:

Nah, CNO, swapped the Naim for an Electrocompaniet, Class A jobby, then sold that for the Pioneer. Really not much difference if any. Had Musical Fidelity before, in Oz, don't rate them.

In the end, it's the speakers that make the difference, amps just peripheral. Whoops, off now, b**ger.

AL, you're all upside down and the wrong way round.  Tongue

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CnoEvil wrote:

altruistic.lemon wrote:

Nah, CNO, swapped the Naim for an Electrocompaniet, Class A jobby, then sold that for the Pioneer. Really not much difference if any. Had Musical Fidelity before, in Oz, don't rate them.

In the end, it's the speakers that make the difference, amps just peripheral. Whoops, off now, b**ger.

AL, you're all upside down and the wrong way round.  Tongue

 

Either that, or modern country, modern ideas  Smile

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BenLaw wrote:

CnoEvil wrote:

altruistic.lemon wrote:

Nah, CNO, swapped the Naim for an Electrocompaniet, Class A jobby, then sold that for the Pioneer. Really not much difference if any. Had Musical Fidelity before, in Oz, don't rate them.

In the end, it's the speakers that make the difference, amps just peripheral. Whoops, off now, b**ger.

AL, you're all upside down and the wrong way round.  Tongue

Either that, or modern country, modern ideas  Smile

......and moved over here!  shifty

 

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CnoEvil wrote:

BenLaw wrote:

CnoEvil wrote:

altruistic.lemon wrote:

Nah, CNO, swapped the Naim for an Electrocompaniet, Class A jobby, then sold that for the Pioneer. Really not much difference if any. Had Musical Fidelity before, in Oz, don't rate them.

In the end, it's the speakers that make the difference, amps just peripheral. Whoops, off now, b**ger.

AL, you're all upside down and the wrong way round.  Tongue

Either that, or modern country, modern ideas  Smile

......and moved over here!  shifty

 

 

Probably for the great weather...

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Or the quality burgers. 

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BenLaw wrote:

CnoEvil wrote:

BenLaw wrote:

CnoEvil wrote:

altruistic.lemon wrote:

Nah, CNO, swapped the Naim for an Electrocompaniet, Class A jobby, then sold that for the Pioneer. Really not much difference if any. Had Musical Fidelity before, in Oz, don't rate them.

In the end, it's the speakers that make the difference, amps just peripheral. Whoops, off now, b**ger.

AL, you're all upside down and the wrong way round.  Tongue

Either that, or modern country, modern ideas  Smile

......and moved over here!  shifty

Probably for the great weather...

Wait till he tries Ireland! 

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b**ger.

Beef or horse?

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altruistic.lemon wrote:

Yeah, but which ones have you heard doing all this? Same with timing. does an amp really have influence on this? In fact, does any component? Can we name and shame?

 

I've always thought PRaT was a joke on the back of the acronym.  I've never yet heard an amp, or source, affect "timing".  What timing is going to go exactly?  Will the drum beats be out of sync?  Will the guitar be a beat behind?  Will the conductor suddenly lose the orchestra?  Nope...never anything like that yet. 

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Ketan Bharadia wrote:
By transparency we mean the ability of the amplifier to let the music signal through unchanged.

So basically what you mean by 'transparency' is low distortion?

 

Does this mean that when WHF describes an amplifier in a review as being 'transparent' it will have a measurably lower THD than an amplifier that isn't described as being 'transparent'?

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Ketan Bharadia wrote:
By transparency we mean the ability of the amplifier to let the music signal through unchanged.

So basically what you mean by 'transparency' is low distortion?

 

Does this mean that when WHF describes an amplifier in a review as being 'transparent' it will have a measurably lower THD than an amplifier that isn't described as being 'transparent'?

well if thats the case, the Marantz has very low THD.

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altruistic.lemon wrote:

Yeah, but which ones have you heard doing all this? Same with timing. does an amp really have influence on this? In fact, does any component? Can we name and shame?

 

I've always thought PRaT was a joke on the back of the acronym.  I've never yet heard an amp, or source, affect "timing".  What timing is going to go exactly?  Will the drum beats be out of sync?  Will the guitar be a beat behind?  Will the conductor suddenly lose the orchestra?  Nope...never anything like that yet. 

Indeed I think the whole "timing" thing is nonsense. Timing of individual instruments on a recording cannot be affected.

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