I nearly always recommend actives when someone is looking to improve sound quality, even if it means selling some of their kit that they initially want to keep. Why? Because in my experience selling all the old seperates for actives will give the biggest increase in sound quality, it's that simple. The op doesn't have to take my suggestion on board, but I'm not going to recommend what I think is a worse alternative. So actives it is then.
I also usually recommend AVI, even though I don't own them myself. Why? Because not everyone wants some ugly studio monitors in their room and, compared to the likes of Dyn Xeos for example, the AVIs are streets ahead on sound quality, in my opinion.
When the anti-active brigade are getting their knickers in a knot, they should stop and consider something. It's just a bloody stereo, get a grip!
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Sorry, duplicate post
When should active speakers be recommended?
They can be recommended anytime, there doesn't have to be any specific rule on this unless someone states that they specifically don't want actives. Most hifi enthusiasts are a bit protective on the gear that they have got. Some even think that as far as anyone is concerned their gear cant be bettered!
I love the sound of my gear and is just about right for my listening requirements (and wallet). If there are actives out there that can provide the same presentation of the Croft/Harbeth combo i would very interested to hear them. Its all about personal taste.
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It is interesting that many people advocate AVI active products as a 'cure' or solution to 'box swapping'.
Not so sure about that.
BigH mentioned - on another thread - about some ADM9.1s that sold on ebay for £600 last week.
I looked them up. I couldn't help noticing that the same seller has also recently sold his original (2007) ADM9s for £435.
He said in the selling notes...
"They have been in storage since October 2009 when I got a pair of ADM9.1's."
He also sold an AVI amplifier for £435 yesterday. He said of that...
"...I'm switching over to a digital music streamer and I need to reduce my box count. I doubt whether I will ever be able to match the quality of this amp again." (Surely, the subsequent two pairs of ADM9s must have been better?)
Presumably, upgrading from the ADM9s then to the ADM9.1s and now upgrading to whatever he has just bought (or is just about to buy) is not 'box swapping'.
The ADM9s cost about £1000 at the time. The ADM9.1s cost about £1100. So he has lost at least £1000 plus ebay/Paypal fees in total.
Interesting that he seemed to have used a 'traditional' AVI amp for eleven years from 1996 until 2007 before the pace of 'box swapping' accelerated with two sets of ADM9s in two years.
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There have been good points made so far, and the wording of your question may allow sensible, objective evaluation of this conundrum.
I think that if someone is starting from scratch, or is looking for amp/speakers, then it is a very viable addition to the audition list....provided that it is reasonably within budget.
The secret is not to impose a viewpoint, or slag off anyone who disagrees with it....being polite and respectful costs nothing.
People like different things, that's just how it is (and always will be).
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Actives - mention them anytime you like folks - Yamaha, Roland, Genelec, M-Audio, Behringer, Adam, Mackie....plenty to choose from.
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...Interesting that he seemed to have used a 'traditional' AVI amp for eleven years from 1996 until 2007 before the pace of 'box swapping' accelerated with two sets of ADM9s in two years.
I think your post is a little off topic but anyhow, some people are incorrigible (I mean the AVI box-swapper).
I consider box swapping to be either chasing SQ improvements but never really getting there or just enjoying the whole process of chopping and changing. When I used the term above I really should have said "not everyone aspires to be a multi-box-owner".
People who've upgraded from one AVI model to a later one probably do it with confidence, knowing that AVI upgrades truly are upgrades.
Incidentally, I've just sold my ADM9Ts and sub and ordered a pair of Arses (ADM9RSS).
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Second: SqueezeBox Touch>AVI ADM9RSS
Why on earth would you devote this amount of time to delving into someone elses life??? Unless this specific person proclaimed that AVI ADM 9 series were the end of box swapping then your post is somewhat pointless.
AVI stopped producing seperates because of the performance gain in the ADM 9 [yes I'm sure there were some other considerations]. If they had been less than honest about the situation they could have continued making the seperates, given the regard those products were held in.
Anyway congratulations Chebby, you have managed to steer this discussion, about when to recommend ACTIVES [not AVI actives], into an anti-AVI thing. What exactly is your problem??? Don't bother answering I can't imagine being interested in your reply.
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There are plenty of inexpensive actives on the market you could use for a m/c setup.
I recently bought a pair of Studiospares branded/badged Seiwin 5A monitors for an office system which set me back £140 the pair
5 of them matched with something like an Yammy RX-V667 (that can be picked up for a couple of hundred on the likes of ebay) and one of the smaller subs from BK like the Gemini you'd have modest, decent sounding setup for around £700 - 800
What? Three minutes on ebay whilst having a coffee?
Put 'ebay uk' in a google search. Type 'adm9' on ebay search. Click on 'completed listings'. There they are. Top two listed items. It would be difficult to miss that they were from the same vendor.
You make it sound like I hired a private detective or stalked the guy!
Get some perspective.
Also worth noting that I am not saying anything against the products or active speaker technology in general. Just commenting that - evidently - buying ADM9s doesn't always cure the urge to regularly upgrade or 'box swap' (a claim that is frequently made by it's customers). If the boxes in question happen to be new versions of the same boxes, it's the same thing*.
*What would you say about someone who buys every variant of the Naim Nait 5 amplifier whenever a new one is launched? (For example)
Oh for goodness sake lighten up will you! i think you are a bit over protective of AVI. Chebby may have too much time on his hands but i dont think delving into someones life is really going on.
Also, it's impossible to predict if the OP is going to be one of those people who don't like the "active sound", i.e. who likes a bit of "boom and tizz".
Additionally, many people don't even realise there are such things as active speakers or why (all other things being equal) they are technically superior.
If OP likes his sound to be clinical, cold and disconnected from music then an AVI made active sound can be recommended
Hum cold..?.. If ur statement is true why are AvI actives the least hifi item sold on ebay.. For some reason when people buy them, hardly sell...
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But back to the main question: When should active speakers be recommended?
When you don't mind something terribly plain and box-like, with mains cables running to each speaker, perhaps?
I'm sure there are some attractive actives, but I don't recall any with the styling of say the B&W PM1 or Sonus faber Venere. If this is because some claim a studio/professional lineage then I guess that's a compromise you have to be prepared to make. IMO the AVIs make even an ugly box like the (glorious sounding) KEF LS50 look attractive!
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