Back on topic? When there's the usual slew of comments about how properly designed and implemented DACs are the be all and end all? Or that thread that got locked about "are Naim worth it" or somesuch claptrap.
You might as well start up a sticky around other such "pointless" purchases: Breitling watches, top of the range Jaguar cars, Maseratis, expensive clothes. Don't forget Waitrose too. There's always Aldii...
Hey Max, how's life. Just checking - was it you that started up a thread about whether Naim products are worth it on here earlier?
Why would you do that? Why pick Naim? Why NAIM specifically? Why not Bryston? Or Pathos, or any number of others? Why Naim? Because it's the brand above all others that gets nailed over in Sunny Haven Farm week in, week out. Your usual approach Max, coupled with your innocent "hey I was just asking" spiel. It's just tiresome. Give it up.
Hey, am I giving out one of my sermons now? Double whammy eh?
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Since we'd all rather have this thread locked, here goes:
Are David's claims really unfounded? Are the AVI forums not a hostile place for many brands including Naim? Has Ashley James etc not insulted many brands over there and over here as well (before he was banned from these forums)?
AVI threads tend to get attacked because AVI started and maintained a hostile attitude to other brands. So no point complaining that they are now on the receiving end of attacks.
Best bet is just to ignore and move on with an actual discussion of a particular AVI product and leave the feuding for video games.
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Max - it's this simple: I-don't-care.
But, for reference and maybe a little balance, it's neither here nor there if David, me, or anyone else takes a pop because for a rather long time now and certainly some way before you picked up your nice glossy cherry red AVI speakers, it wasn't exactly unheard of for some of those owners to let rip into people who just happened to have separates. In other words, it cuts both ways.
But I think both forums would be the better without it, and you don't do yourself any favours with your many threads on here.
Like I say, in the end, I don't care, but if you think this has just been one way traffic, you probably need to do some reading up.
I mentioned Naim because in the "hi-fi hate" thread, you wasted no time in bringing them up (again) earlier in the evening. It's a common theme among some AVI owners, and this stems from 'the top'. It's not even like they're producing active speakers in competition with AVI - they're not. They're doing their own thing. Instead of slagging them off, why doesn't the company, it's owners, and it's followers let things be - if AVI is so much better, and Naim do produce distorted, over priced garbage, thenthey'll put Naim out of business won't they? Just don't join up on a forum, bring some back up, and start slagging off manufacturers that are not in direct competition with what you support.
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Naims products are ridiculously overpriced, IMO, and in the opinion of many people that have never even heard of HDD Forum, why is that? Who brainwashed them? A company that sells very expensive amps, and provides an "upgrade path" for their beloved customers, by way of £2k mains leads, and you don't want anybody slagging them off? You'll be lucky, I'll say that.
The fact is, David, you are constantly spoiling AVI threads, why is that? Do AVI owners deserve that? Yet you get a thread dedicated to your KEFs that comes with a prerequisate not to mention active speakers, does your involvement in all AVI threads seem fair in light of that? What will it take for you to mind your own business?
People who buy a Naim amplifier or Naim streamer aren't "fooled" into buying anything. They choose to buy them after a demonstration, usually against one or more alternative manufacturers. If some people can't handle Naim being popular because people like it and buy it, That's their problem, but there's no need to slag them off for it.
Exactly. In your opinion. No doubt there's many others out there who don't feel that Naim is good value for money, but they don't go out of their way to hammer their opinion home at every possible opportunity. They live and let live and get on with their lives.
And what £2k mains lead? Maybe I've missed an email (I have been rather busy recently), but there's only the supplied mains leads and the PowerLine at £400.
Aah, this is where you turn things around on whoever you're arguing against and act all innocent. JD started the thread because you spoilt the original one with your active campaign. There's been a big thing about accuracy on this forum since you turned up again, and you'd think that a new product designed with that very ideal in mind would be welcomed, but no! It's slagged off because it's not active. It's slagged off because KEF mentioned LS3/5a in the description. Its slagged off because its £200 more than the R100's (showing complete ignorance of the product and it's ideals)! It seems that unless a new product has less than 0.0000001% distortion or isn't active, it's a big pile of poo. I'm getting tired of it.
What will it take for me to mind my own business? Well, when you stop launching OTT campaigns to discredit established companies that offer an upgrade path (that goes for Naim and Cyrus) that can be chosen IF the user wants to (and not forced into) that'll be a start.
I never said people were fooled into buying Naim products, and I don't ever recall slagging off Naim on here, not once, show me just one example from any other day bar today (which wasn't even slagging, I aired my views on a thread that asked for them)? You're making things up, David.
And the thread you said I spoilt, that was not your thread, believe it or not it had nothing to do with you whatsoever, I and others recommended active studio monitors to the OP, Clare backed up my suggestion, and he demoed some, and liked them, and bought them, just like your Naim customers do, was that OK with you or were you just annoyed he didn't buy the Kefs that you sell?
You brought up Naim this evening, David, you, not me. And you keep getting involved in AVI threads, to spoil them, and everybody can see that.
But I'll give you your due, you sucked me in big time tonight, you laid the trap and I snared myself, but you haven't managed to hide your motives, David, this argument has nothing to do with anybody's views of Naim, it's all about and has eminated from your dislike of AVI and their owners.
And as for this statement
Well, when you stop launching OTT campaigns to discredit established companies that offer an upgrade path (that goes for Naim and Cyrus) that can be chosen IF the user wants to (and not forced into) that'll be a start.
Absolute nonsense, I have never started such a campaign, show me one of them? . Are you trying to get me banned with your lies? Because it looks that way from where I'm standing. Very classy.....
And the thread you said I took over, that was not your thread, I and others recommended active studio monitors to the OP, Clare backed up my suggestion, and he demoed some, and liked them, and bought them, just like your Naim customers do, was that OK with you or were you just annoyed he didn't buy the Kefs that you sell?
This is my final post here tonight. There have been no "traps".
Once again Max, you just make EDITED up. You only need to look in the hate hi-fi thread to see what you posted. And yes, you mentioned Naim earlier in the evening - the times are there for all to see.
I never said the thread you spoilt was mine. I don't have any threads - I generally don't start threads because I'm representing a retailer, and that's seen as spamming. It didn't matter to me what the OP bought. Whether or not anyone buys what I've recommended matters not to me. What matters, is that people go out there and at least try a few alternative products for themselves, and that they choose what they like the sound of. Or at least go and listen to it first.
I've asked a few questions on AVI threads yes, but it's questions that I'm curious to know the answers to. If its so obvious that I spoil AVI threads, everyone will blatantly see that and know without you making a big thing out of it. But if I ask a question, or make a point, you come along and make a big thing a out it, arguing, and posting post after post things like this where you make stuff up trying to discredit the other person - you should run for Parliament.
This argument sprung up directly in connection with you slagging off Naim, no other reason. I can't say I dislike AVI products because I've never heard any. At least I can admit that. How many Naim products have you genuinely heard? No need to answer that really as you've dodged it once tonight already.
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David, this argument sprung up when you accused AVI owners of slagging off Naim, saying they did so because of what their forum administrater said. my saying i wouldnt buy Naim, on a thread that asked what peoples hifi dislikes were, is my business, several others also said they dont rate the company, are you going to systematically attack them too? and why did you not voice your anger at my choice of hifi dislikes on the thread that i posted them on? why did you choose an AVI thread to do so?
I didn't like the 'One for All' design of remote control, which AVI used some time ago, but it was low cost and readily replaceable.
The revised, specially designed and manufactured, unit that was introduced with the Neutron five system, is very good and is now supplied as standard with all AVI equipment.
It costs about £40, and is available as a spare part, so it doesn't hurt to buy two to start with, in case one gets lost, or chewed by the dog.
It uses standard codes, so actually, you can use a third party remote if you wish.
Cool. Good to know that the Neutron 5 remote is the new type. I'm seriously considering getting a Neutron 5 setup (and maybe later on if I really like the Neutron, I'll get the ADM 40). Strangely enough I find the ADM9T to be the least appealing of AVI's product, despite it clearly being the most popular one.
I use a Logitch Harmony remote. It works fine, except that I had a rather scary "runaway volume" event the other day, which apparently is a known bug with Harmony remotes, so I'm going to have to be careful.
Trying to get the thread back on topic, I'm still being amazed by these speakers. They are so clear and dynamic, and "realistic". I keep searching out vocal music (classical) just to wallow in the sound of voices on them. But everything sounds fantastic frankly.
(All this talk of differences between DACs just seems absurd in comparison)
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