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manicm wrote:

eggontoast wrote:

andyjm wrote:

manicm wrote:

busb wrote:
Bullsh*t?

That's all you can respond to a company which arguably made the first and best hifi streamer ever? The first streamer to allow an open control interface - (which I still am against). (Sorry the Transporter was there before but was rare and marketed to being a nonentity and really didn't compare). 

Hmmn.

Slimdevices launched the SB1 in 2003, arguably the first HiFi streamer as it handled full bitrate uncompressed streams (not just MP3).  The SlimDevices Transporter (their 5th streamer) was launched in 2006, a full year before Linn's first attempt.  I am not sure as to your comment about the Transporter being 'rare', that may be true in the UK, but the Transporter was successfully sold in the US.

The Slimdevices architecture was fully open source, a number of third party plug-ins were available to increase functionality, and a number of third party applications available to control the players on iDevices or later android products. 

I recall that the Linn interface was considered so poor at launch that a number of hacks were available to allow the Linn streamer to be used with the Slimdevices back end and user interface. 

 

Nope, your both wrong.

The first streamer was the Turtle Beach Audiotron which was released in 2001, it had the ability to stream WAVE files so was full bitrate. Although it was released by turtlebeach in 2001 it dates back further as they purchased the hardware from Gateway, there were some Gateway branded models. I had one and it was a nice unit, it had to be connected to an external dac to get good sound as the analogue outputs were shockingly bad. It had a webased interface to control it, remote or the front panel buttons, later an aftermarket iPhone app was available too. It also streamed internet radio. Turtlebeach were about to replace it with the Mediatron which as the name suggests also streamed video, but a company restructure saw a change in direction and both products were dropped.

Actually, you're all wrong to an extent as well. The Linn DS was the first uPnP streamer. The Transporter relied on its SlimServer software - this was required on even a NAS - so how busb states it was 'open' I don't know.

Initially the DS's interface was a bit of a dog - but that was true of the Transporter as well.

I don't know either - he didn't!

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I don't know either - he didn't!

Sorry busb, that was andyjm. In any event I'm no Linn fanboy.

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RE: Bullsh*t?

manicm wrote:

eggontoast wrote:

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manicm wrote:

busb wrote:
Bullsh*t?

That's all you can respond to a company which arguably made the first and best hifi streamer ever? The first streamer to allow an open control interface - (which I still am against). (Sorry the Transporter was there before but was rare and marketed to being a nonentity and really didn't compare). 

Hmmn.

Slimdevices launched the SB1 in 2003, arguably the first HiFi streamer as it handled full bitrate uncompressed streams (not just MP3).  The SlimDevices Transporter (their 5th streamer) was launched in 2006, a full year before Linn's first attempt.  I am not sure as to your comment about the Transporter being 'rare', that may be true in the UK, but the Transporter was successfully sold in the US.

The Slimdevices architecture was fully open source, a number of third party plug-ins were available to increase functionality, and a number of third party applications available to control the players on iDevices or later android products. 

I recall that the Linn interface was considered so poor at launch that a number of hacks were available to allow the Linn streamer to be used with the Slimdevices back end and user interface. 

 

Nope, your both wrong.

The first streamer was the Turtle Beach Audiotron which was released in 2001, it had the ability to stream WAVE files so was full bitrate. Although it was released by turtlebeach in 2001 it dates back further as they purchased the hardware from Gateway, there were some Gateway branded models. I had one and it was a nice unit, it had to be connected to an external dac to get good sound as the analogue outputs were shockingly bad. It had a webased interface to control it, remote or the front panel buttons, later an aftermarket iPhone app was available too. It also streamed internet radio. Turtlebeach were about to replace it with the Mediatron which as the name suggests also streamed video, but a company restructure saw a change in direction and both products were dropped.

Actually, you're all wrong to an extent as well. The Linn DS was the first uPnP streamer. The Transporter relied on its SlimServer software - this was required on even a NAS - so how busb states it was 'open' I don't know.

Initially the DS's interface was a bit of a dog - but that was true of the Transporter as well.

Well, I sort of stand corrected.  The SliMP3 (the first squeezebox) came out at the same time as the Turtle Beach Audiotron and the Dell Rio (2001).  I had thought the SliMP3 was MP3 only (as the name suggests) but further reading indicates it coped with WAV files as well, so I think Slimdevices are back in the running for 'first'.

Manic, I think you will find Sonos products were available as uPnP well before Linn launched the DS.

Slim / Squeeze certainly used their own server software, one of the reasons they could manage gapless and third party plugins from pretty much the word go.  Your original comment was that Linn had the first 'open control interface', as I pointed out earlier, the squeeze range was fully open source and multiple third party controllers were (are) available.

I have no doubt the original Linn streamer was a fine player, but I really dont think they were first at anything.

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Bullsh*t...

manicm wrote:

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I don't know either - he didn't!

Sorry busb, that was andyjm. In any event I'm no Linn fanboy.

That's OK - only a moderate amount of offence taken Smile

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What's Linn's big secret?

Reserve better quality mastering for higher priced formats.

(Though not really a secret and practised by others too).

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PC > O2+ODAC > HD 650

Sweet setup you've got there AL13N. I like the mini PC. Dirol

How's that headphone amp with the Sennheiser's?

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RE: What's Linn's big secret?

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Reserve better quality mastering for higher priced formats. (Though not really a secret and practised by others too).

Geddaway, they wouldn't do that would they? Smile

And if they did how would you know?

 

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Alears wrote:

AL13N wrote:
Reserve better quality mastering for higher priced formats. (Though not really a secret and practised by others too).

Geddaway, they wouldn't do that would they? Smile

And if they did how would you know?

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RE: Sweet setup

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Sweet setup you've got there AL13N. I like the mini PC. Dirol

How's that headphone amp with the Sennheiser's?

Thanks, the best thing about the PC is the silence.

As for the amp/cans combo... Sonic Bliss. http://files.head-fi.org/images/smilies/smily_headphones1.gif

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AL13N wrote:

steve_1979 wrote:

Sweet setup you've got there AL13N. I like the mini PC. Dirol

How's that headphone amp with the Sennheiser's?

Thanks, the best thing about the PC is the silence.

 

If you were ISAC69 you could get a cable to make it even more silent than silent.

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AL13N wrote:

steve_1979 wrote:

Sweet setup you've got there AL13N. I like the mini PC. Dirol

How's that headphone amp with the Sennheiser's?

Thanks, the best thing about the PC is the silence.

As for the amp/cans combo... Sonic Bliss. http://files.head-fi.org/images/smilies/smily_headphones1.gif

That's my idea of the dream head-fi system. A silent mini PC as the source, a separate DAC/headphone amp and a pair of Sennheiser HD650 headphones (or maybe even the HD800 if I won the lottery). Dirol

 

Unfortunately I wouldn't use them often enough to warrant the outlay. Sad

 

Besides my Sony MP3 player and Westone earphones do the job very nicely whenever I want to listen to music without annoying the neighbours. Smile

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RE: What's Linn's big secret?

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Ah yes, and I totally find it incredibly highly human, when somebody have the response to a question, and answer "but I wouldn't say, because it's a secret". It's a tipycal trolling method.

I myself had thought of that particular little series of replies, ending with michael hoy saying "It would not be a secret if I told you. Smile " That was moderately funny, and not typical (sic) trolling behaviour at all.

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RE: What's Linn's big secret?

NSA_watch_my_toilet wrote:

Ah yes, and I totally find it incredibly highly human, when somebody have the response to a question, and answer "but I wouldn't say, because it's a secret". It's a tipycal trolling method.

I myself had thought of that particular little series of exchanges, ending with michael hoy saying "It would not be a secret if I told you. Smile " That was moderately funny, and not typical trolling behaviour at all.

 

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RE: What's Linn's big secret?

Repeat.

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Linn has a secret? :quest:

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