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RE: What's Linn's big secret?

They recently released an overhaul of their songbox media server software. I was also told by a dealer that they are going to be offering spotify soo as well.

So I'm guessing that it's going to be some sort of redesign of their user interface?

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RE: What's Linn's big secret?

The ability to continue to wind up non Linners after 40 years?  ROFL

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Marketing budgets

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I'm going back far longer ago than streamers to all the damaging bull that some still believe (that the source is the most important part of any system) which is rubbish. My comment is far less fatuous than you think - I remember the times when Ivor T was spinning more bull than discs. I don't doubt that Linn have designed some great products since the LP12 - I have a long memory & sh*t sticks. I tend to support companies with smaller marketing budgets!

Vertical scale is in $millions.

 

Panasonic's UK marketing budget was £60 million in 2011.

 

Linn Products turnover in the year to June 2010 was £17 million.

 

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RE: What's Linn's big secret?

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The ability to continue to wind up non Linners after 40 years?  ROFL

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busb wrote:
Bullsh*t?

That's all you can respond to a company which arguably made the first and best hifi streamer ever? The first streamer to allow an open control interface - (which I still am against). (Sorry the Transporter was there before but was rare and marketed to being a nonentity and really didn't compare). 

Hmmn.

Slimdevices launched the SB1 in 2003, arguably the first HiFi streamer as it handled full bitrate uncompressed streams (not just MP3).  The SlimDevices Transporter (their 5th streamer) was launched in 2006, a full year before Linn's first attempt.  I am not sure as to your comment about the Transporter being 'rare', that may be true in the UK, but the Transporter was successfully sold in the US.

The Slimdevices architecture was fully open source, a number of third party plug-ins were available to increase functionality, and a number of third party applications available to control the players on iDevices or later android products. 

I recall that the Linn interface was considered so poor at launch that a number of hacks were available to allow the Linn streamer to be used with the Slimdevices back end and user interface. 

 

 

 

 

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RE: CraigDS wrote:Does anyone

Hi-FiOutlaw wrote:

michael hoy wrote:
CraigDS wrote:

Does anyone have any idea what Linn's big secret is?

Yes

...and?  :grin:

It would not be a secret if I told you.:)

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lindsayt wrote:

busb wrote:
I'm going back far longer ago than streamers to all the damaging bull that some still believe (that the source is the most important part of any system) which is rubbish. My comment is far less fatuous than you think - I remember the times when Ivor T was spinning more bull than discs. I don't doubt that Linn have designed some great products since the LP12 - I have a long memory & sh*t sticks. I tend to support companies with smaller marketing budgets!

Vertical scale is in $millions.

 

Panasonic's UK marketing budget was £60 million in 2011.

 

Linn Products turnover in the year to June 2010 was £17 million.

 

My phone contract is expiring soon. Would you care to recommend an alternative to an an iPhone from a company with a significantly smaller marketing budget?. Marketing was not my main point but the campany's willingness to spread FUD was. Again, as for a potential TV replacement, you suggestion is who?

Maybe one or two Linn owners took my comments to heart - it was not an attack on them even iff some take adverse comments personally but on Linn as a company & other manufacturers whose selling techniques are or have been less than honourable IMO. My point is when it comes to HiFi & British HiF in particular, there are plenty of alternatives who sell more straightforwardly without resorting to spin.

As for being wound up after forty years - not really - I've only hit my boss, got thrown off a bus... So not really

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RE: CraigDS wrote:Does anyone

michael hoy wrote:

Hi-FiOutlaw wrote:

michael hoy wrote:
CraigDS wrote:

Does anyone have any idea what Linn's big secret is?

Yes

...and?  :grin:

It would not be a secret if I told you.:)

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busb wrote:

I'm going back far longer ago than streamers to all the damaging bull that some still believe (that the source is the most important part of any system) which is rubbish.

You're being as dogmatic as the company you're accusing of being. Not saying source is the most important, but it's equally rubbish to say it's the least important. I've experienced this with several disc players using the same amp and speakers. Some of the differences I found startling.

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manicm wrote:

busb wrote:

I'm going back far longer ago than streamers to all the damaging bull that some still believe (that the source is the most important part of any system) which is rubbish.

You're being as dogmatic as the company you're accusing of being. Not saying source is the most important, but it's equally rubbish to say it's the least important. I've experienced this with several disc players using the same amp and speakers. Some of the differences I found startling.

No argument frtom me there. Any system is as good as it weakest link. You can replace any major component with a better one that will lift the whole, be that speakers, amp or source. As for being dogmatic - of course I am - Linn are probably an entirely reputable outfit now compared with back then. I wouldn't not buy Linn on principle but they'd not be my first choice.

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andyjm wrote:

manicm wrote:

busb wrote:
Bullsh*t?

That's all you can respond to a company which arguably made the first and best hifi streamer ever? The first streamer to allow an open control interface - (which I still am against). (Sorry the Transporter was there before but was rare and marketed to being a nonentity and really didn't compare). 

Hmmn.

Slimdevices launched the SB1 in 2003, arguably the first HiFi streamer as it handled full bitrate uncompressed streams (not just MP3).  The SlimDevices Transporter (their 5th streamer) was launched in 2006, a full year before Linn's first attempt.  I am not sure as to your comment about the Transporter being 'rare', that may be true in the UK, but the Transporter was successfully sold in the US.

The Slimdevices architecture was fully open source, a number of third party plug-ins were available to increase functionality, and a number of third party applications available to control the players on iDevices or later android products. 

I recall that the Linn interface was considered so poor at launch that a number of hacks were available to allow the Linn streamer to be used with the Slimdevices back end and user interface. 

 

Nope, your both wrong.

The first streamer was the Turtle Beach Audiotron which was released in 2001, it had the ability to stream WAVE files so was full bitrate. Although it was released by turtlebeach in 2001 it dates back further as they purchased the hardware from Gateway, there were some Gateway branded models. I had one and it was a nice unit, it had to be connected to an external dac to get good sound as the analogue outputs were shockingly bad. It had a webased interface to control it, remote or the front panel buttons, later an aftermarket iPhone app was available too. It also streamed internet radio. Turtlebeach were about to replace it with the Mediatron which as the name suggests also streamed video, but a company restructure saw a change in direction and both products were dropped.

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" more revolutionary than the

" more revolutionary than the LP12 ever was".

How was the LP12 revolutionary? It was essentially an Ariston but with the most enormous pile of BS applied, oh and of course that it ran faster than it should.

A dreadful example of if you tell a lie loud enough and for long enough then it 'becomes' the truth.

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How was the LP12 revolutionary?

It revolves.............. Cool

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RE: What's Linn's big secret?

Is it this kind of game that we must guess a incredible good thing that LINN is making. So it will raise the disucussions around LINN, and we will all be convicted that LINN is such an incredible brand since so long ?! Or better, we will heard about the last invention of LINN. And so, the info will be top ranked on the net and the news could spread because we used the word LINN so much times ?

Ah yes, and I totally find it incredibly highly human, when somebody have the response to a question, and answer "but I wouldn't say, because it's a secret". It's a tipycal trolling method.

 

Warning : post number 11 was a lie.

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eggontoast wrote:

andyjm wrote:

manicm wrote:

busb wrote:
Bullsh*t?

That's all you can respond to a company which arguably made the first and best hifi streamer ever? The first streamer to allow an open control interface - (which I still am against). (Sorry the Transporter was there before but was rare and marketed to being a nonentity and really didn't compare). 

Hmmn.

Slimdevices launched the SB1 in 2003, arguably the first HiFi streamer as it handled full bitrate uncompressed streams (not just MP3).  The SlimDevices Transporter (their 5th streamer) was launched in 2006, a full year before Linn's first attempt.  I am not sure as to your comment about the Transporter being 'rare', that may be true in the UK, but the Transporter was successfully sold in the US.

The Slimdevices architecture was fully open source, a number of third party plug-ins were available to increase functionality, and a number of third party applications available to control the players on iDevices or later android products. 

I recall that the Linn interface was considered so poor at launch that a number of hacks were available to allow the Linn streamer to be used with the Slimdevices back end and user interface. 

 

Nope, your both wrong.

The first streamer was the Turtle Beach Audiotron which was released in 2001, it had the ability to stream WAVE files so was full bitrate. Although it was released by turtlebeach in 2001 it dates back further as they purchased the hardware from Gateway, there were some Gateway branded models. I had one and it was a nice unit, it had to be connected to an external dac to get good sound as the analogue outputs were shockingly bad. It had a webased interface to control it, remote or the front panel buttons, later an aftermarket iPhone app was available too. It also streamed internet radio. Turtlebeach were about to replace it with the Mediatron which as the name suggests also streamed video, but a company restructure saw a change in direction and both products were dropped.

Actually, you're all wrong to an extent as well. The Linn DS was the first uPnP streamer. The Transporter relied on its SlimServer software - this was required on even a NAS - so how busb states it was 'open' I don't know.

Initially the DS's interface was a bit of a dog - but that was true of the Transporter as well.

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