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Theres not an (un)cartel like way they seem to have positioned themselves within certain segments, in a we won't tread on your toes if you don't tread on ours kind of way. 

Whereas I'm not sure there is a "cartel-like" scenario going on, I do believe there is a lot to be said for checking out the smaller brands, that get less exposure and sound surprisingly good.

Some brands pander to a taste they believe will make them popular and so sell well; while others stick to their guns and do their own thing, and can be smaller and more efficient, and don't spend millions on advertising.

This is not put as fact, but is just my personal opinion.

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richardw42 wrote:

Theres not an (un)cartel like way they seem to have positioned themselves within certain segments, in a we won't tread on your toes if you don't tread on ours kind of way. 

...others stick to their guns and do their own thing, and can be smaller and more efficient, and don't spend millions on advertising.

This is not put as fact, but is just my personal opinion.

Exactly like Leema. They started life trying to make a monitor that sounded like the old BBC monitors...

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PP, I guess you enjoy the process as much as the results. I have no problem with that, I like a bit of fiddling with things too. But... If you change that Leema, after all you've said about it, you need your head read.

You seem to be looking at relatively small speakers, so I suspect you're not driving them particularly hard. Your Leema will probably be as good as anything else you can buy in that case. If you took part in a (*grimace*) blind test which took into account your usual listening conditions, I'd be surprised, in fact amazed, if you could find anything better.

What makes you think you'll go past the Leema's limits, or improve on it, whilst still spending sensible money?

 

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If you change that Leema, after all you've said about it, you need your head read.

You seem to be looking at relatively small speakers, so I suspect you're not driving them particularly hard. Your Leema will probably be as good as anything else you can buy in that case. If you took part in a (*grimace*) blind test which took into account your usual listening conditions, I'd be surprised, in fact amazed, if you could find anything better.

What makes you think you'll go past the Leema's limits, or improve on it, whilst still spending sensible money?

 

Not planning on changing amps in the short-medium term, but it's always nice to see where I am in the grand scheme of things.

While the RS6 are excellent in many respects, I've owned them for a long time and looking at something a little different. Certainly wouldn't look at speakers above 2k. Working on the assumption that a speaker around £1.5k should be a very decent uplift...

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PP, I guess you enjoy the process as much as the results. I have no problem with that, I like a bit of fiddling with things too. But... If you change that Leema, after all you've said about it, you need your head read.

You seem to be looking at relatively small speakers, so I suspect you're not driving them particularly hard. Your Leema will probably be as good as anything else you can buy in that case. If you took part in a (*grimace*) blind test which took into account your usual listening conditions, I'd be surprised, in fact amazed, if you could find anything better.

What makes you think you'll go past the Leema's limits, or improve on it, whilst still spending sensible money?

This process is not necessarily about changing the amp, but experimenting with different pairings and synergies, as sometimes you can hit on a combo that is more than the sum of its parts.

Until you hear the likes of the Creek Destiny, MF M3i, Sugden Mystro and Electro PI-1, you don't know for sure if the Pulse is beatable....even though it is in the same ball park.

It doesn't cost to experiment, only to buy.

I have always believed though, the problem (such as it is) lies with the speakers.

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bigblue235 wrote:

PP, I guess you enjoy the process as much as the results. I have no problem with that, I like a bit of fiddling with things too. But... If you change that Leema, after all you've said about it, you need your head read.

You seem to be looking at relatively small speakers, so I suspect you're not driving them particularly hard. Your Leema will probably be as good as anything else you can buy in that case. If you took part in a (*grimace*) blind test which took into account your usual listening conditions, I'd be surprised, in fact amazed, if you could find anything better.

What makes you think you'll go past the Leema's limits, or improve on it, whilst still spending sensible money?

This process is not necessarily about changing the amp, but experimenting with different pairings and synergies, as sometimes you can hit on a combo that is more than the sum of its parts. Until you hear the likes of the Creek Destiny, MF M3i, Sugden Mystro and Electro PI-1, you don't know for sure if the Pulse is beatable....even though it is in the same ball park. It doesn't cost to experiment, only to buy. I have always believed though, the problem (such as it is) lies with the speakers.

This is what I alluded to in the earlier post. I agree the speakers need to be looked at, as well as source. After a fairly recent diversion with Rega Apollo, when really pushed, those dome tweeters tend to struggle.

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Okay, just for a bit of fun... this one's aimed at Cno, in particular.

Take into account my (occasional) paranoia regards the 'boom and tiz' garbage - and I've superglued the Pulse to the shelf - what speakers and source would you go for?

When you heard the Pulse what speakers did you hear it with?

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plastic penguin wrote:

Okay, just for a bit of fun... this one's aimed at Cno, in particular.

Take into account my (occasional) paranoia regards the 'boom and tiz' garbage - and I've superglued the Pulse to the shelf - what speakers and source would you go for?

When you heard the Pulse what speakers did you hear it with?

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What parameters:

- Must be CDP? (£600?)

- Must be Floorstanders? ( £1000?)

I heard the Pulse at my local dealer without taking a proper dem. It was a long time ago and think it was with an Electro CDP and Focal speakers.

Do you allow a greater budget?

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Jumping ahead of myself and with budget/tech not being an issue, it won't come as a surprise that the system would be:

Sneaky + Pulse + Kef R500 (possibly R300)

IMO This would be nearly impossible to beat for the money.

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Jumping ahead of myself and with budget/tech not being an issue, it won't come as a surprise that the system would be:

Sneaky + Pulse + Kef R500 (possibly R300)

IMO This would be nearly impossible to beat for the money.

Thanks, Cno. The R300 look the biz, just browsed the web. The R500 would be too big for my room.

Do you think the R300, with the exception of bass extention, would be a decent step up from the RS6s? They are fabulous sounding but are a little limiting when it comes to other sources.

So upping the ante a little, would the ProAc Response D1 or D2 be a another step up from the Kefs?

Sorry for all the questions, but I need to get a objective handle on the 'dos' and 'don'ts' with the Pulse. The Totems still remain top-listers, but other than them and PMC DB1is I've not had the chance to home dem any other speaker. 

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plastic penguin wrote:

Thanks, Cno. The R300 look the biz, just browsed the web. The R500 would be too big for my room.

RS6 (HxWxD)    850 x 185 x 250mm

R500 (HxWxD) 1015 x 180 x 305 mm.....so about 7" taller and 1" deeper.

plastic penguin wrote:

Do you think the R300, with the exception of bass extension, would be a decent step up from the RS6s? They are fabulous sounding but are a little limiting when it comes to other sources.

The R300s have a surprising amount of bass for their size, and are imo a game changer for their price...as are both the R500/R700. I don't think they will be limiting to any source that is within budget. Are you sure the slim R500s are too tall.

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So upping the ante a little, would the ProAc Response D1 or D2 be a another step up from the Kefs?

This is really one for David, as I'm not familiar enough to give meaningful comment, but I would be surprised if the R300s didn't get close....as they really sound more expensive than they are....anyway, if I had that sort of money to spend, it would be the R500s or R700s without hesitation.

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Sorry for all the questions, but I need to get a objective handle on the 'dos' and 'don'ts' with the Pulse. The Totems still remain top-listeners, but other than them and PMC DB1is I've not had the chance to home dem any other speaker. 

My only caveat with Totem is imo, they can become shouty over a longer period.

There is good reason why the R series is such a hit...they are lively, detailed, musical and fun without fatigue; and on top of that, have great imaging/sound stage, with a big listening sweet spot (due to the uni-q arrangement).

Saying all that, if you get a chance to hear the Epos...take it.

As for a CDP, I don't think you can do much better than the Rega (or the Rega Dac)

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Hi,

I demo'd the Pulse with a few speakers MA, Dynaudio and PMC and really liked the PMC GB1i, beautiful breathy tone and well balanced,for my taste not enough bottom end but I do like a lot of bass and punch.

I would certainly look at these as they come up ex dem at around £1k and are not that large.

You would get more oomph with the KEF's but as you like the PMC sound give them a go if you get the chance.

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Was going to say to Cno I'll probably end up with PMC GB1is. If there is any lack of bottom end it shouldn't matter in a smallish living room like mine. They are practically identical in size to the RS6s. What I liked about the DB1is, apart from the detail and balance, was the midrange was slightly recessed, hence there was no hint of any 'shoutiness' when cranked up. This is something I get with the MAs, if cranked...

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Was going to say to Cno I'll probably end up with PMC GB1is.

I know!

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Was going to say to Cno I'll probably end up with PMC GB1is.

I know!

Assuming, of course, the GBs mirror the DBs in tonal qualities. The one thing that stands those MAs above the DB1is was TV or DVD. With music the DBs are better but when I played films the MAs went into another dimension. They are epic at in this area.

I'll definitely give the Kefs a go and let you know my feelings.

As my middle name is "Safetyfirst" the safe choice would be the PMCs.

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