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Helmut80 wrote:

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Helmut80 wrote:

Have you heard the Totem Forests with your Leema PP?

Nope, just Arros. What do the Forests sound like?

 

i have heard them.  I am really not very good at describing what I hear, but I will give it a try.  They sound much fuller than the Arros and Staff IMO. I really like the Totems in general. Very lively without any tizz, and the Forests have plenty of boom. A very involving sound, very PRATty without being as forward as for example the B&W CM range, without being as laid back as Spendors or SF. Like most north american products they are pretty pricey here, limited availability and loyal following means the second hand market is still pricey from what I've seen.  

Pretty much how I would describe the Arros. They are a lively speaker that brings a lot of sonic benefits to the table. In direct comparison with my silver MAs, they are smoother but still let's the Leema do its thing without any sonic strangulation.

The Forests, I believe, will be too big for my room. Looking for a more discreet design such as the Arros - or indeed a standmounter. I've recently seen s/hand Model-1 Signature, but these may well push the Leema beyond its limits.

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Don't doubt Mr. Droid's knowledge, hence I'll try a couple of the suggestions.

Sometimes I really feel like the Mr. Bean of the forum - I've heard loads of different amps over the past few years, and over a 30 year period countless different set-ups.

The Pulse, IMO, is about as mellifluous as they come at the price and some. When I heard a Bryston, just after purchasing the Pulse, it bettered it in some areas, such as detail, bass definition and bass depth. However, in terms of imaging, microdynamics and smileability, the Pulse is every bit a match. (That particular Bryston I seem to remember retailed around £2,200, I think).

What FD was really trying to do, was get you to listen to a Valve amp (Icon Audio), but due to the constraints you have on the distance you can travel, he had to compromise and come up with something that you could access. If you haven't heard Epos speakers mixed with the Destiny amp, the experiment is worth doing, especially if you can take it home to try different combinations. I think I know what you are looking for...which is emotionally stimulating and engaging, while being toe-tappingly dynamic but remaining as natural as possible (with no "grit or spit" in the treble). This is where Valve amps excel, and why I like Class A so much. It's quite possible that the Pulse is giving you half of what you are looking for, but it's still worth the looking at the alternatives. Epos speakers are exceptional value, so should also be tried, due to the fact that they are so different from the MAs. Also, as has been stated above (and which you already know), the source should be looked at. Since you have read what I think so many times, you know exactly where I'm coming from, which is to encourage the less trodden path and the constant challenging of one's knowledge.

I fully understand and appreciate your sentiments. Personally, valve amps really don't appeal to me on several levels: First, they look ugly IMO; contrary to what valve owners may say, due to the nature of valves, they produce a colossal amount of heat (given I have my amp on, on average, 4 hours each day, and sometimes a lot longer...) and they, generally suck a lot of electricity.

I'll certainly look at class A amps - this won't happen till after the festive period, due to living room decoration - such as MF, Sugden and see how they grab me.

You're right, I like the emotional effect the Leema gives me and don't want to sacrifice any of that or excitement - or fun it exudes. This is a key word for me... FUN. My car isn't the first choice for many, but it's brilliant in this area. It's fun and exciting without too many drawbacks.

Cars, like hi-fis, if I spend substantial amounts of money, I have craving for entertainment, as opposed to something that'll play music to a consistent level (or a car that'll just get me from A-B).

The Leema reproduces music with an 'edge'. Don't confuse this with edgy or being harsh in any sense. It does exactly what it states on the tin. party time!  

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Class A run full on all the time, if I remember correctly, so you could expect your lecky to go sky high! Anyway, why change the Leema?

Did you buy that car, by the way?

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Anyway, why change the Leema?

Did you buy that car, by the way?

I don't want to unless an alternative can blow my socks off.

No, still have the Alfa. Looked at a Audi 1.9 diesel and it is beautifully built and feels great, however, once I had a test drive it felt pretty nondescript. I would have to look at Audi 1.8 or 2.0 litre Turbo sport to get anywhere near the Alfa.

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plastic penguin wrote:

altruistic.lemon wrote:

Anyway, why change the Leema?

Did you buy that car, by the way?

I don't want to unless an alternative can blow my socks off.

No, still have the Alfa. Looked at a Audi 1.9 diesel and it is beautifully built and feels great, however, once I had a test drive it felt pretty nondescript. I would have to look at Audi 1.8 or 2.0 litre Turbo sport to get anywhere near the Alfa.

Do you own an Alfa 156 2.5 petrol? Because the 1.9 TDi Audi A4 with it's 130BHP and masses of torque, would be faster than any of the smaller engined 156's.

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altruistic.lemon wrote:

Anyway, why change the Leema?

Did you buy that car, by the way?

I don't want to unless an alternative can blow my socks off.

No, still have the Alfa. Looked at a Audi 1.9 diesel and it is beautifully built and feels great, however, once I had a test drive it felt pretty nondescript. I would have to look at Audi 1.8 or 2.0 litre Turbo sport to get anywhere near the Alfa.

Do you own an Alfa 156 2.5 petrol? Because the 1.9 TDi Audi A4 with it's 130BHP and masses of torque, would be faster than any of the smaller engined 156's.

Not wishing to go off-topic, yes it's a 156 1.8 TS. No, outright speed isn't the issue. The Alfa isn't the fastest but it does give a fantastic driving experience. By that, I mean you can feel it in the bends and it feels feisty. Something the Audi didn't. The Audi in comparison, felt a bit of a pudding.

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richardw42 wrote:

Excuse my ignorance. 

Re. SS amps, assuming all things are equal re power / current, what is there about an amp that could portray a particular characteristic different to another. Circuits and wires can't be tuned ?

Shhhh!  You're spoiling the fun!

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richardw42 wrote:

Excuse my ignorance. 

Re. SS amps, assuming all things are equal re power / current, what is there about an amp that could portray a particular characteristic different to another. Circuits and wires can't be tuned ?

I think you probably need to get an electrical engineer/amp designer to get to the bottom of this.

What I do know is that most makes have a "house sound", some of which is due to the Class and type of amp ie. whether it's SS, Valves, Hybrid or used in an Active system. In an AB amp, it also depends how much it is biased into A.

I know that is "not all things being equal", but with amp design, they seldom are, otherwise there would be one homogeneous blueprint, that all brands would stick to. Lavardin, for example, make a big thing about "memory distortion".

As far as I can tell, everything has an effect, from the size and type of the power supply, to the quality of the components and how well they are isolated, to the way it's designed ie. dual mono in the one chassis.

I'm afraid that's the best I can do off the top of my head, and without a technical background.....but I'm quite sure that there's a lot more to it than that.

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CnoEvil wrote:

What I do know is that most makes have a "house sound", some of which is due to the Class and type of amp ie. whether it's SS, Valves, Hybrid or used in an Active system. In an AB amp, it also depends how much it is biased into A.

Am I reading this correct, you think that an amp has a particular sound if it is used in an active speaker?

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Craig M. wrote:

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What I do know is that most makes have a "house sound", some of which is due to the Class and type of amp ie. whether it's SS, Valves, Hybrid or used in an Active system. In an AB amp, it also depends how much it is biased into A.

Am I reading this correct, you think that an amp has a particular sound if it is used in an active speaker?

I am giving very general examples of what can make amps sound different, no more.

Given I was touching on most of the different variants that I could think of, I briefly mentioned amps in Active applications, as the active speakers I have heard have sounded different, due to the active crossover etc. etc. and was not insinuating any more than that, or intending to make any judgements.

Where someone is looking for an amp + speakers, Active is always a possibility, and the combination of the two done is this way can give a different sound. After all, an amp on its own is of little use, unless connected to something that allows you to your hear it.

 

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CnoEvil wrote:

I am giving very general examples of what can make amps sound different, no more.

Putting an amp in (or indeed out, as some are separate) an active speaker would not make that amp 'sound' different.

If an active speaker sounds different to the same amp/speaker combo done passively, the difference is due to the crossover.

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Craig M. wrote:

CnoEvil wrote:

I am giving very general examples of what can make amps sound different, no more.

Putting an amp in (or indeed out, as some are separate) an active speaker would not make that amp 'sound' different.

If an active speaker sounds different to the same amp/speaker combo done passively, the difference is due to the crossover.

Strictly speaking, you are of course correct.

When looking for "the sound" that appeals, having the amp used in a true integrated active situation, means that it and the speaker are inseparable, and the end result of this is a different quality sound.

When talking about what can make amps sound different, I thought it worth mentioning as an alternative, 'cause as a subject matter, it's very much inter-related.

Point taken though

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plastic penguin wrote:

.  Personally, valve amps really don't appeal to me on several levels: First, they look ugly IMO; contrary to what valve owners may say, 

Evening All.

Sorry Pingu me old mate but i just couldnt resist.....

 

Guess what these have bolted inside em ?,lol.

 

 

Just a couple to wet yer whistle,hee hee.

I know what you mean really PP.  Wink

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richardw42 wrote:
Re. SS amps, assuming all things are equal re power / current, what is there about an amp that could portray a particular characteristic different to another.

Apparently not all clipping sounds the same. Could this be what gives some SS amplifiers their individual character?

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Moving this on. 

 

It does seem in the interest of manufacturers to perpetuate the whole House Sound. So punters keep on buying amps looking for what they think they need. Heaven forbid that someone buy something and wait for it to go pop before changing. 

I accept that differing techs should vary (valve, tube, A, D, digital). 

Theres not an (un)cartel like way they seem to have positioned themselves within certain segments, in a we won't tread on your toes if you don't tread on ours kind of way. 

 

Id like to add that I have nowhere near enough experience to comment absolutely expertly. Just how it looks to an average consumer. 

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