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I totally agree with the points made. We'll  make sure things like ports, speaker position and some indication of dimensions is made in forthcoming speaker reviews. 

 

Thats great.

 

Out of interest what size is your auditioning room?

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BigH wrote:

Ketan Bharadia wrote:

I totally agree with the points made. We'll  make sure things like ports, speaker position and some indication of dimensions is made in forthcoming speaker reviews. 

 

Thats great.

 

Out of interest what size is your auditioning room?

This might answer your question Smile

 

http://www.whathifi.com/how-we-test

 

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Electro wrote:

BigH wrote:

Ketan Bharadia wrote:

I totally agree with the points made. We'll  make sure things like ports, speaker position and some indication of dimensions is made in forthcoming speaker reviews. 

 

Thats great.

 

Out of interest what size is your auditioning room?

This might answer your question Smile

 

http://www.whathifi.com/how-we-test

 

 

Thanks thats very useful, does not give the sizes but at least an idea. 

 

One suggestion would be to try the speakers in the small room to check for positioning closer to walls which would be typical in many homes.

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RE: What Hi*Fi Speaker reviews, more info needed?

BigH wrote:

Electro wrote:

BigH wrote:

Ketan Bharadia wrote:

I totally agree with the points made. We'll  make sure things like ports, speaker position and some indication of dimensions is made in forthcoming speaker reviews. 

 

Thats great.

 

Out of interest what size is your auditioning room?

This might answer your question Smile

 

http://www.whathifi.com/how-we-test

 

 

Thanks thats very useful, does not give the sizes but at least an idea. 

 

One suggestion would be to try the speakers in the small room to check for positioning closer to walls which would be typical in many homes.

Having visited the 'Towers' a few years ago, the main hi-fi testing room is a little larger than the average suburban living room, although wouldn't like to guess on dimensions. My living room is around 17' x 13' and the width (narrow side) of WHFI's dem room is a few inches wider, but wouldn't put a figure on it.

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What i would like to see is more reviews, some brands are not covered at all and some only a few products, for instance Harbeth speakers, Creek amps, Musical Fid. Int amps, only one Arcam Int. amp in last 4 years? It seems that some brands get reviewed all the time like Marantz, Rotel, Cyrus and Unison Research (7).

 

Yes I realised that you can't review everything but there do seem to be quite a few gaps.

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Also, why can't most BOOKSHELF speakers be used on an actual bookshelf? Why sould they be designed to require the use of some ugly stands?

 

It's a great question, but an even better one would be, why use a standmount at all, especially a chunkier one that needs a heavy stand? A floorstanding speaker that is the same size as the standmount, but extruded all the way to the floor, will take up exactly as much space and will outperform the standmount every time. So why do people buy standmount+stand despite no advantages? It's got something to do with WAF but like most things related to that, makes no sense at all.

That said, my current main system features standmounted speakers with heavy stands, but just give me a little time...

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Ketan Bharadia wrote:

I totally agree with the points made. We'll  make sure things like ports, speaker position and some indication of dimensions is made in forthcoming speaker reviews. 

I think it'd also be useful to have a box containing some very basic technical information. The maximum power handling, impedance and the frequency response are important infomation aswell as the speakers dimensions.

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 Who has a wall that's 12-15 foot long with no doors or anything in the way:) Smile :) .

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Ajani wrote:

Also, why can't most BOOKSHELF speakers be used on an actual bookshelf? Why sould they be designed to require the use of some ugly stands?

 

... A floorstanding speaker that is the same size as the standmount, but extruded all the way to the floor, will take up exactly as much space and will outperform the standmount every time. ...That said, my current main system features standmounted speakers with heavy stands, but just give me a little time...

Every time? Not sure if everyone will agree on that point despite currently using slim towers without having to worry about matching to stands. If it wasn't for the extra 2.5kg of sand in each, they would blow over in a breeze! My old SL6s weighed more & their stands even more so. B&W PM1s may not have the last word in bass repro but hell, they are damn fine with vocals.

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It's a great question, but an even better one would be, why use a standmount at all, especially a chunkier one that needs a heavy stand? A floorstanding speaker that is the same size as the standmount, but extruded all the way to the floor, will take up exactly as much space and will outperform the standmount every time. So why do people buy standmount+stand despite no advantages? It's got something to do with WAF but like most things related to that, makes no sense at all.

Floorstanders are usually capable of reproducing deeper bass frequencies than stand mount speakers thanks to their larger enclosure volume. But stand mount speakers often have advantages in other areas.

 

Stand mount speakers tend to have a better stereo image and while the bass isn't a deep it is often better controlled. This is because the large enclosure surfaces in floorstanders create more internal standing waves which can make them sound a bit boomy by comparison.

 

There are pros and cons to both types of speaker.

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Electro wrote:

BigH wrote:

Ketan Bharadia wrote:

I totally agree with the points made. We'll  make sure things like ports, speaker position and some indication of dimensions is made in forthcoming speaker reviews. 

 

Thats great.

 

Out of interest what size is your auditioning room?

This might answer your question Smile

 

http://www.whathifi.com/how-we-test

 

 

That settee in room 1 needs moving further into the room IMHO despite the bass traps - it's too close to the rear wall.

EDITED:

I'd also hope that budget equipment gets matched to the sort of stuff end-users are likely to use it with - unlike some exhibitors at Hi Fi shows that put budget speakers on the end of exotic amplification - dishonestly to my mind. However, saying that, I didn't pick up on that at Bristol this year.

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busb wrote:

Electro wrote:

BigH wrote:

Ketan Bharadia wrote:

I totally agree with the points made. We'll  make sure things like ports, speaker position and some indication of dimensions is made in forthcoming speaker reviews. 

 

Thats great.

 

Out of interest what size is your auditioning room?

This might answer your question Smile

 

http://www.whathifi.com/how-we-test

 

 

That settee in room 1 needs moving further into the room IMHO despite the bass traps - it's too close to the rear wall.

EDITED:

I'd also hope that budget equipment gets matched to the sort of stuff end-users are likely to use it with - unlike some exhibitors at Hi Fi shows that put budget speakers on the end of exotic amplification - dishonestly to my mind. However, saying that, I didn't pick up on that at Bristol this year.

 

The settee does look a bit off centre as well, but maybe the camera angle. Yes I agree about partnering with likely gear, I would not expect £300 -£500 speakers to be on the end of £2,000 amps.

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Also, why can't most BOOKSHELF speakers be used on an actual bookshelf? Why sould they be designed to require the use of some ugly stands?

This excellent question wasn't responded to and I think it's important enough to 'bump' it.

Ugly stands hack me off too and I would love to see more 'bookshelf' speakers that actually perform well on shelves and/or wall brackets.

Is it because most manufacturers don't know how to make a decent sealed cabinet speaker any more? (With a few exceptions like Harbeth and Spendor.)

My new 'old' JPW Sonatas (1991 vintage) were killer budget speakers in their day with lots of great reviews and awards (along with their Mini Monitor and Monitor Gold brethren). I simply cannot believe that speakers like them cannot be made economically today.

My feeling (confirmed by one or two commercial speaker designers here on the forum in the past) is that it's mostly to do with Angel fashion and (b) trying to make the lower bass specs look as good as possible on paper.

 

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Ajani wrote:
Also, why can't most BOOKSHELF speakers be used on an actual bookshelf? Why sould they be designed to require the use of some ugly stands?

This excellent question wasn't responded to and I think it's important enough to 'bump' it.

Ugly stands hack me off too and I would love to see more 'bookshelf' speakers that actually perform well on shelves and/or wall brackets.

Is it because most manufacturers don't know how to make a decent sealed cabinet speaker any more? (With a few exceptions like Harbeth and Spendor.)

My new 'old' JPW Sonatas (1991 vintage) were killer budget speakers in their day with lots of great reviews and awards (along with their Mini Monitor and Monitor Gold brethren). I simply cannot believe that speakers like them cannot be made economically today.

My feeling (confirmed by one or two commercial speaker designers here on the forum in the past) is that it's mostly to do with Angel fashion and (b) trying to make the lower bass specs look as good as possible on paper.

 

 

I'd agree with Angel and slightly modify (b) - space is at a premium so people want small speakers but they're also obsessed with bass. Not necessarily just the specs but they want to hear 'deep bass' even if it is a buzzy, ported homogenous mess. Many people haven't heard bass from a monitor style sealed speaker and therefore haven't heard better or don't want a different kind of bass. So you get lots of ported speakers. 

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Hi all,

just thought i'd let you know we've just updated the SX2 review to include a couple of lines mentioning positioning and biwiring. The SX2s are quite large standmounters so i don't think they'd be suitable for a bookshelf, especially if they're only going to be a mm or two from a back wall.

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