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RE: What can we do to avoid listening fattigue?

Yes. it. does. Cool

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RE: What can we do to avoid listening fattigue?

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You may be correct, and certainly if more than a tiny amount was used....they could sound over-damped, especially as the stands are sand filled

I'd never paid thought to how Blutac I use. I have quite sizeable lumps. Interesting

IMO. It can make a difference, depending on interaction between speakers / stands / floor (whether it's suspended wooden / concrete).

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RE: What can we do to avoid listening fattigue?

More experimentation to come then. While I'm at it I'll A-B between the Blu-tack and these small stick on rubber feet that came with a pair of my floorstanders that are unused

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RE: What can we do to avoid listening fattigue?

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More experimentation to come then. While I'm at it I'll A-B between the Blu-tack and these small stick on rubber feet that came with a pair of my floorstanders that are unused

Let us know what you find....even if it's no change.

IMO Speakers should be coupled to a concrete floor (with spikes) in order to sink unwanted vibrations into it.

They should be de-coupled from a suspended floor by using Granite under the spikes (on Spike Shoes), and isolating the speakers from the stand itself with the likes of Blu-tac.

Adding mass / damping to Stands is all about experimentation ie. What to use (Rice, Lead Shot, Atabites, Kiln Dried Sand), and how much you fill them. Some speakers respond to high mass stands, but it can remove life from others (which prefer a light stable stand).

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RE: What can we do to avoid listening fattigue?

Current setup is upstairs, thus a standard bedroom floor (I'm unsure of the material - 90's standard build house). Onto that bedroom floor I've got Atacama Nexus 7i stands (spiked), fully filled with cat litter, with 4 sizeable blu-tack blobs between the speaker and stand. So from what you're saying I should really have granite under the stands spikes instead of direct into the floor?

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RE: What can we do to avoid listening fattigue?

GMK wrote:

Current setup is upstairs, thus a standard bedroom floor (I'm unsure of the material - 90's standard build house). Onto that bedroom floor I've got Atacama Nexus 7i stands (spiked), fully filled with cat litter, with 4 sizeable blu-tack blobs between the speaker and stand. So from what you're saying I should really have granite under the stands spikes instead of direct into the floor?

- You could try Granite Wortop Savers which can be bought for about £10 (make sure they are returnable in case it makes no difference).

- Make sure they don't rock on the carpet (if that's what you use).

- Use spike shoes, which can be made using 1Ps (with a dent punched in them and a sticky wood floor protector on the other side.

- Be careful with Cat Litter, which could absorb moisture and rust stands from the inside.....though how likely this is to happen, I can't say.

- If you want to add Mass as well as extra Damping, try Kiln-Dried Sand......start with half full, and work up from there.

 

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RE: What can we do to avoid listening fattigue?

Mmm . . . Just read the 2008 'Speaker Asylum post', by Klaus DK: 'the sade tale of Celestion'.

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. . . "Yes it is a sad story; let’s hope it will serve as a lesson for all those loudspeaker producers out there who produce ever and ever shriller, harder and more pinched sounding speakers. You have already lost the young generation of listeners who are more interested in computers; beware not to loose us, the music loving community who wants natural timbre, warmth, beauty and envelopment, in our speakers."

. . . the quote, I feel, is relevent to 'listening fattigue' and suports my personal view of how speakers designers have gone over the years . . . "music loving . . . natural timbre, warmth, beauty and envelopment . . . ".  Think about it . . . ?

My views are personal and biased . . . thats the way I like my music.  I make no appologies for my personel opinion, you dont have to agree, but please dont take them as a personal attack, end of story.

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RE: What can we do to avoid listening fattigue?

Totally agree Cno.

On a suspended wooden floor I have my DB1i's on rubber feet, Atacama Aurora 6 stands fully filled with Atabites, spiked into spike shoes on 1" slabs of granite.

This combination has brought the best out of them for me, perfect Wink

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