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Oops - gone back to using my laptop here instead. Now been on for 15mins. Well, they work fine but any comments I make need to be in the context that they hadn't any current for 18 months so will leave them for as long as I can take them! Started off with a couple of tracks from Lamb's "What Sound". They sound SLUGGISH. Imaging is OK but hell, if the Arros do only one thing absolutely brilliantly, it's imaging & throw in the Primare - height as well. Am listening to the 2nd disc of Mothership that does sound better. especially "Nobody's fault but mine" but hell that sounds good with my head under water!

CnoE, they don't sound awful - just a little syruppy at the mo so yes, they ain't going to sound fatiguing. Let's give them a fighting chance. Bass isn't very well defined...

I used to love them for simple acoustic / female vocal, opera, choral and concertos (especially violin).....they also needed a bit of "wellie" to wake them up.

They are so totally different to the Arros, that a certain acclimatization will be needed.

What stands are they on?

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The best way to avoid "listening fattigue" is to use a spell.checker imo. Smile

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Does a spell.checker require a separate punctuation.checker?

ROFL

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Oops - ...... with my head under water!

CnoE, they don't sound awful - just a little syruppy at the mo so yes, they ain't going to sound fatiguing. Let's give them a fighting chance. Bass isn't very well defined...

I used to love them for simple acoustic / female vocal, opera, choral and concertos (especially violin).....they also needed a bit of "wellie" to wake them up.

They are so totally different to the Arros, that a certain acclimatization will be needed.

What stands are they on?

Something Solid - they are not going to be done under the Trades Description Act! The are heavy, all steel with the top plate welded over a sand-filled collumn. Got them from Reading Cassette & Hi Fi before they became Audio T. They were designed specifically for the SL6s & possibly the SL600s. Just played "Spaceman" by Babylon Zoo(!) sounded better. Listening too Caro Emerald's "Stuck" - her voice clips into distortion but I'm the only one that seems to notice. Sounding better by the minute.

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Something Solid - they are not going to be done under the Trades Description Act! The are heavy, all steel with the top plate welded over a sand-filled collumn. Got them from Reading Cassette & Hi Fi before they became Audio T. They were designed specifically for the SL6s & possibly the SL600s. Just played "Spaceman" by Babylon Zoo(!) sounded better. Listening too Caro Emerald's "Stuck" - her voice clips into distortion but I'm the only one that seems to notice. Sounding better by the minute.

Stands sound like they're perfect....are you using a little Blu-tac?

IMO. Their talents kind of creep up on you, as they're not a dramatic listen....the human voice used to sound uncannily real on mine (original copper tweeter version).

(Sorry to OP for diversion, but the SL6s are one of the most fatigue free speakers ever built imo...so it has a sort of relevance.)

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The most fatigue free speakers I've heard of late are the Tannoy V4's. They dig up a surprising amount of detail and yet never vere into harshness, despite my CD63 showing occasional signs of it with almost every other speaker I own (and that's 13 odd pairs)

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Listening too Caro Emerald's "Stuck" - her voice clips into distortion but I'm the only one that seems to notice.

Yes her voice does sound like it's clipping on that track. I'd never noticed it before until you pointed it out.

 

There's no sign of clipping when looking at the track in Audacity though. Maybe they added some other sound effect to her voice when they were mixing/mastering the song? :?

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I am so with you on that!

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I am so with you on that!

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Something Solid - they are not going to be done under the Trades Description Act! The are heavy, all steel with the top plate welded over a sand-filled collumn. Got them from Reading Cassette & Hi Fi before they became Audio T. They were designed specifically for the SL6s & possibly the SL600s. Just played "Spaceman" by Babylon Zoo(!) sounded better. Listening too Caro Emerald's "Stuck" - her voice clips into distortion but I'm the only one that seems to notice. Sounding better by the minute.

Stands sound like they're perfect....are you using a little Blu-tac?

IMO. Their talents kind of creep up on you, as they're not a dramatic listen....the human voice used to sound uncannily real on mine (original copper tweeter version).

(Sorry to OP for diversion, but the SL6s are one of the most fatigue free speakers ever built imo...so it has a sort of relevance.)

Playing some Colourbox (EP). They are beginning to sing - they had to be fair speakers - I put up with them for well over twenty yrs. Now I know why, despite regular comments about being bass light. They sound bass tight now! Never thought they'd sound this good. Knowing they are not the most fatigue-free speakers on the planet comes as a relief - they are not coma inducing!

No, not using BluTac, BlackTac or anything like it - 8mm dia x 6mm clear plastic stick-on feet, stuck onto the stands rather than SL6s. Imaging's better after the warmup. Going to Dig out some Joni Mitchell.

 

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Playing some Colourbox (EP). They are beginning to sing - they had to be fair speakers - I put up with them for well over twenty yrs. Now I know why, despite regular comments about being bass light. They sound bass tight now! Never thought they'd sound this good. Knowing they are not the most fatigue-free speakers on the planet comes as a relief - they are not coma inducing!

No, not using BluTac, BlackTac or anything like it - 8mm dia x 6mm clear plastic stick-on feet, stuck onto the stands rather than SL6s. Imaging's better after the warmup. Going to Dig out some Joni Mitchell.

This was because very few people had amps powerful enough to do them justice, so they sounded a bit flat...the more power, the better.  >)

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Listening too Caro Emerald's "Stuck" - her voice clips into distortion but I'm the only one that seems to notice.

Yes her voice does sound like it's clipping on that track. I'd never noticed it before until you pointed it out.

 

There's no sign of clipping when looking at the track in Audacity though. Maybe they added some other sound effect to her voice when they were mixing/mastering the song? :?

Discovered "Stuck" when it 1st came out digging around on iTunes. Seem to remember checking the levels & IIRC, no headroom on that recording. It gives her voice a little buzziness but hey - it's an utterly stonking song! Some songs just have all the right elements to be classics. Stuck is timeless! It's my girlfriend's ringtone.

Hey CnoE - Hejira sounds good. Forgot how good "Amelia" is. Some very fine frettless bass on the title track as well.

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Hey CnoE - Hejira sounds good. Forgot how good "Amelia" is. Some very fine frettless bass on the title track as well.

I'm delighted you brought these speakers out of retirement for a little while, as I had a suspicion that they would work well with Primare.

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RE: What can we do to avoid listening fattigue?

Don't listen to fatiguing music.

I'm not attempting flippant humour.

Don't listen to 'test track' material or impressively re-mastered/re-cut disks where all the stuff the musician and producer never meant you to hear (and you wouldn't have heard with the technology of the era)  is now revealed in gory detail and fawned over by audiophiles as evidence of 'transparency'. (There is a point where being able to hear the brand of cigarette the drummer is smoking becomes rather tiresome!)

I suspect - being a little cynical - that such 'fine detail' was over-emphasised on many a 1980s half-speed, direct cut, organic, free-range, 'limited edition' LP to appeal especially to hi-fi tweakers. ("Did you hear her filing her nails before the second verse started?")

Listen to music that you like or love and don't listen to everything as if you had to write a review afterwards. (All that ernest concentration will give you a headache.)

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busb wrote:

Playing some Colourbox (EP). They are beginning to sing - they had to be fair speakers - I put up with them for well over twenty yrs. Now I know why, despite regular comments about being bass light. They sound bass tight now! Never thought they'd sound this good. Knowing they are not the most fatigue-free speakers on the planet comes as a relief - they are not coma inducing!

No, not using BluTac, BlackTac or anything like it - 8mm dia x 6mm clear plastic stick-on feet, stuck onto the stands rather than SL6s. Imaging's better after the warmup. Going to Dig out some Joni Mitchell.

This was because very few people had amps powerful enough to do them justice, so they sounded a bit flat...the more power, the better.  >)

 

Yep Cno you are right.  I did a lot of work with Celestion on the 600's in particular, a special stand, was developed, EAR 509 amps, the copper tweeter turned 'blue' with the driving power 509's could deliver, tried hard but never blew a drive unit!!!  The stand copies were never anything like as good as my originals, copies almost always over damped, saping speaker energy, muddying the image . . . Power and a good stand, the SL series were devine!

That 'Special Stand' morphed into the Designer series, that was so successfull with many speakers but particularly the LS35a, another speaker much maligned, missused and missunderstood.

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Search out CDs mastered in the 1980s - OK they are quieter but the dynamic range is just so much better than modern CDs.

Read the Steve Hoffman Audio Forum to help track down the versions of CDs by your favourite band.

You'll be amazed at the difference this makes - modern CD mastering gives you a headache !

Secondhand CDs are unbelievebly cheap at the moment - the old ones often don't carry barcodes on the back.

 

 

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