What this forum could do with is some stickies with technical basics which newcomers (as well as some regulars) could use to gain some useful knowledge and I include myself there too. I am constantly learning and in the process have acknowledged that I have repeatedly given questionable advise in the past and I'm sure still do. Its not just about measurements and/or how things work/interact but these are important. Anyone not interested in that aspect is simply adopting 'the head in the sand' attitude, likely to make costly mistakes and at the end of the day not understanding a thing about this hobby ...
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Many people are not interested, in fact that puts many off hifi, they just want to know what may suit their tastes. Not all amps are the same or even similar, just for us manufactorers design different sounds. Some may prefer Cyrus and some Naim or Creek. Until the OP answers the question about WHY they want to change from NAD I don't think we can much further.
Well many reviews will say similar thimgs about those amps, take Audiolab, WHF says clinical or too clinical.
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Do you understand why some call this particular amplifier 'clinical' ... whatever that is? - Could it be that it is simply technically more adept than some others (in a similar vain to some Cambridge Audio Designs)? - Is it possible that a lack of distortion together with great stereo separation and low noise gives more of what is on the disc or whatever media is used? - This will not make it appeal to everybody but it may do to some especially if their speakers vear towards the other extreme. Similarely, wouldn't you like to know that, for example, amplifier A has high output impedance/low damping and so should ideally be paired with a speaker that has high inherent damping?
You see, things are not straight forward. That doesnt mean you have to make unneccesseraly complicated but a modicum of understanding will go a long way towards helping achieving some symmetry.
Why the change ?
Unless the Nad is becoming unreliable, I wouldn't bother.
Warm, clinical, smooth ? Can't see how a combination of electrical components are capable of theses qualities. Surely it's about whether its capable of adequately driving the speakers to their full potential.
Unfortunately, people sometimes try to simplify things to much as Plastic Penguin did.
Nothing wrong in keeping things in layperson's terms. Life's complicated enough, so why over-complicate a hobby?
Because things are not as simple as that. Your 'description' of amplifiers, totally subjective and probably mostly with your speakers, will almost certainly not apply on every occasion.
Perhaps keeping it 'simple' is more in line with this Forum. I guess for the more technically minded there are others.
First, I don't object when people start getting technical. Look how many threads you've started over the past week or so. Some make very relevent points, others don't. I've contributed on at least one of them. That's fine.
Second, look back at my first post in this thread and I made crystal clear this is what I found on "my existing equipement and certain models..." of those brands mentioned by the OP.
Third, I get totally chuffed off with people using 2,000 words when it could be explained just as clearly with 50.
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I rest my case.
Happy New Year to everybody!
Simple enough I hope
To be fair, the OP also mentioned this:
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Happy New Year.
PP, I thought I'd leave it but I have to say that I rarely heard as much rubbish as coming from you. I find it highly questionable that anybody that 'doesn't to technical' can give any meaninful advise.
If you'd spend the time you do giving 'advise' by learning a little about what you are actually talking about, I'm sure it would make more sense.
I'm swinging that one at the moment ...
I think in many areas reviewers feel the need to use language that has nothing to do with what they're reviewing. I find those wine tasters on TV quite funny, comparing it to summer meadows, apple orchards etc, its fermented grape juice !
hi Fi reviews are almost as bad, and we all fall for it. There's so many people on here that would fly through the Harbeth challenge, why not hire a coach and empty their stock room.
I suppose with my first post I was just trying to say to the OP. don't expect to spend £900 and expect anything different.
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hi Fi reviews are almost as bad, and we all fall for it.
You wanna bet ?. You can count me out of that statement.
Anyways this is a typical whatsahifi barney brewing up.
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Na, almost feel bad it got that far (actually I do, feel bad that is)
Tried to make a point where, I guess, there is no point to make.
It is what it is to different people.
My apologies Plastic Penguin. Happy 2013!
That wasn't the Royal we.
My initial response to you was simple: Don't pull anyone up just because they like to keep a description simple.
Apologies accepted, DM - you can have your handbag back now.
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