I'm sure he would! The problem is the comparison.
Agreed, but it would give an idea if it's a runner......just don't mention cables!
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Do you know a dealer in Ireland, relocated, so he can compare with the other, and it has to be said there are many, options?
Strange though it may seem, NO I don't; but I do know that people in Ireland buy and love AVI ADM products.
I dug this - "There's gonna be some blind purchasing at some point" - out for you lemon. It's what the OP said when he started the thread. The OP is realistic enough, just like the rest of us, to know that you can't hear everything that you might like to.
There are indeed many options, lemon, which is why I added to the options already proffered by other helpful participants.
Apple Lossless - ATV3 - AVI ADM 40 also ATV3 into AVI ADM 9T [my wife's system]
and Grado SR80i
Fair enough, but it would be good if you could point out the other options - the wireless Dynaudios, for example, or the other active speaker options.
In this instance, the Dyns might be more suitable, since you could then locate the turntable where you wanted with the controller next to it, no need for messy cables everywhere.
Do we know if Relocated has heard the speakers you mention ? If he has then I would have thought he would have suggested them if he thought they were worth recommending ( I have no opinion as I haven't heard them ), and if he hasn't , then is it realistic to expect him to recommend a product he is not familiar with ?
He has suggested a product he is familiar with and thinks would be worth considering . As always , it is up to the OP to sift through the replies and make his own mind . Please don't start another active/passive , AVI/against the whole World argument as it has become seriously tedious . Thank you .
Well my recommendation would be this: "Technics SU 810 integrated amp (http://www.audio4maniacs.co.uk/technicssu810.html), Technics SL1200 MK3D, Monstorous Sansui speakers (don't know the number, but they were over a meter tall and heavy as hell), Stanton Discmaster Cartridge & D3 Stylus."
Or some variation of that. That would be a super system for your requirements. Good DD (Direct Drive) turntable. Good amp. Good, proper sized speakers for your 5m x 6m room, that would be well matched to your listening requirements and priority of sound quality per pound spent over WAF (Wife Acceptance Factor).
There are quite a few other DD and idler drive turntables that would be well within budget that you could go for instead of the Technics 1200. Lenco, Garrard, Thorens for idlers. Sony, Pioneer, JVC, Kenwood / Trio, Sansui, etc etc for DD's - something that would have been towards the top of their product range, not some cheap nasty plasticky lightweight rubbishy thing.
For speakers it's all down to what you see a good deal on first. Look out for stuff that would have been expensive / high end new but is affordable now. Large sealed boxes, horns, or electrostatics.
Loads of choice of amps. A Japanese Battleship integrated amp such as the Sansui AU-9500 or one of the Sony ES's would make a nice alternative to the Technics SU 810.
Try to fit a decent MC (moving coil) cartridge into your budget, as a minimum something like a Denon DL110 or 103.
Thanks for all the help so far, i've now got lots more to research and hopefully check out at some point! I'll let everyone know how I get on.
All in all I'd like to get something within the next 2 weeks.
@Lindsayt Unfortunately that set-up is long gone and I'm too embarassed to say what I've been using for the last few months. I'm hoping to start off from scratch, because I have scratch at this point. Also, there just doesn't seem to be too much good second hand audio floating around Ireland. You'll see the occasional thing pop up now again, but even eBay.ie isn't a tenth as good as eBay.co.uk. That's why I was figuring it would be easier to get something new. Thanks for the info about the Denon DL110. It's received incredible feedback.
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Rega RP6 w/ Exact2 - Arcam FMJ A19 - HRT Streamer II (soon to be irDAC) - Kef R500
I'd be looking at the Rega RP3/Elys 2 combination with a Brio-R amplifier and your choice of speakers. Very hard to beat that turntable/amp combination IMO.
Rega RP3/White Belt/Elys2 - Pioneer A-30 - Dali Zensor 3. (+ Denon DCD720AE for CDs)
Pioneer PL12D II - Sansui AU2200 - Wharfedale Diamond 9.1 (+ Philips CD840 for CDs)
I would also fling Pro-ject turntables into the equation. Rega and Pro-ject straight from the box are excellent VFM. After that either Rega or Arcam amp would my choice, both have excellent built-in phono stages to boot.
As for speakers whatever sounds the bees knees.
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I know there isn't such an argument at the moment , but you know full well that these sorts of discussions can quickly develop into an unnecessary bun fight and never resolve themself satisfactorily . So I was just hoping that this useful thread doesn't go the same way .
You are also right , that there appears to be an ever increasing availability of domestic active speakers on the market , some of them are even visually acceptable , and if there are members of this forum who have experience of any of them , then I'm sure they will put forward their suggestions . All we have had so far is the suggestion of one member who has experience of one brand of active speaker and your alternative suggestions . Of course , Relocated's big mistake was not putting the postscript at the end of his suggestion that " other brands of active speakers are available " , if you can find them .
There are some good dealers in Ireland, but you may not get what you are looking for in one store and may need to come North.
I am very familiar with two of the best dealers (Kronos and Lyric) here and am aware of the third, so if I can be of any help, just shout:
Rega, Arcam, Linn, Naim and Kef can all be heard at Lyric Hifi, so a phone call to Michael would set up a demo....it could well be worth the round trip
Kronos also have a good selection of the lesser known, but very musical kit (Musical Fidelity, Electrocompaniet, Peachtree, Spendor, Focal etc)
Ardhowen do brands like Sugden, Project and Croft
Good Luck with it all
That's great, thanks for the info CNO. I'm gonna give Cloney a shout and see what I can do regarding organising a trip up to Lyric. As I'm a beginner to purchasing Hi-Fi, is it common to find everything you're looking for with one dealer or is it normally piecing it together from different outfits depending on the brands they stock (and obviously price)? I like the idea of going to one place for all my needs, but that probably isn't realistic if you want to get the best possible. Cheers man.
Anybody else have any recommendations or suggestions to assist me on any kit that they'd stand by for a vinyl system?
I am going to offer two separate pieces of advice.
Firstly I am tempted 'to come over all 80's' and suggest that you spend at least half your budget on the turntable, arm and cartridge, they are mechanical devices and good mechanical engineering still costs real money. Also at this end of the market I would insist on a british phono stage, preferably built into a good integrated amplifier, a Creek maybe?
Alternatively, as a first time buyer, I would suggest that you contact each of the dealers on the list and ask them to set up the best vinyl playback system that they can supply at or very close too your price point. Give them as much info regarding room size and musical taste as you can but do not mention any specific product. leave the choice to them. That way you can audition both the equipment and the dealer at the same time, if you want to keep a vinyl playing system at it's best, you will need dealer support, be nice to know that whoever you are buying from can provide it.
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Nicky, there's nothing to stop you from buying from ebay from anywhere in the world and then shipping it to your home address. Even after paying shipping costs plus import duty for any non-eu countries there's still an excellent chance you'd get a better sounding system for your money than you would from buying new.
If you want to save some money on the amp. you can get the Arcam A18 for about half the A19 price. As you have Richers over there I would make a trip to them as they should stock Arcam and Acoustic Energy not sure about Rega.
Lindsayt, I really wish that was true. The record shop I work in tried to buy Dansettes from eBay.co.uk, clean 'em up and then sell them on as there was quite the demand for them a couple years ago. After doing that for a couple months, nearly 1/3 of them were not working or broken on arrival. Shipping costs from Ireland are very expensive. I just checked there with An Post, and to send a 10KG box registered (which is required by Paypal to get a refund) it costs €47, this is a cost that is not refundable by ebay or Paypal either. Unfortunately cheap services like Myhermes don't really exist here that I'm aware of. A friend of mine buys and sells old video game consoles and he gets most of his collections from Gumtree.co.uk and ebay.co.uk. I have been present when he gets a delivery and usually there's at least one or two Nintendo's that are always cracked/or broken and he can't really do anything about it because to get a refund he'd have to send it back, which would cost more to send back than what it was worth.
I love 2nd hand stuff, and as I work in a store that really only sells 2nd hand stuff I know the value that can be found for a fraction of the price. What I said above is actually more of a frustration rant than an attempt to refute what you're saying.
@davedotco That sounds like great advice, thanks. There's a guy who comes into the record shop that I really respect and he often says that the arm/cartridge/stylus is the most important part and says that if the first contact point with the signal isn't the best possible, then what is the point of having the best possible things (amps, cables, speakers) to interpret a not-so-great signal. He compares it to having a TOTL HD TV but with bad aerial reception.
Also, I think that is a good way to approach dealers & shops for the first time. Cheers.
I'll keep my eyes peeled for a cheap enough Thorens, because it seems like it could be worth the risk.
I'll probably have a mint TD160 coming available shortly .
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