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RE: USB cables, please share your experience

mykspence wrote:

drummerman wrote:

MUSICRAFT wrote:

Hi shafesk

I use a basic USB cable (with a Chord Electronics QBD76 DAC) which I bought at the local market for £1.

All the best 

Rick @ Musicraft

Ah dont worry. A better cable would probably have been wasted ... unless you meant you paid £1 for the chord. 

Rick's use of brackets showed exactly what he meant.

Oh, terribly sorry Smile

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RE: USB cables, please share your experience

Mine's gold plated, so I'm confident it's the best contact. I've see how the digits can get lost in the gap, bit like jumping on the tube when drunk.

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RE: USB cables, please share your experience

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USB cables, please share your experience

Shall I.... listen to this

 

Nah. silenced

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RE: USB cables, please share your experience

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 hence I want to hear from actual users.

I tried a £50 Wireworld USB cable on an MF v-dac and the difference over a printer USB cable was negligible. I returned the cable.

A few system upgrades later, I repeated the experiment with Siltech and Oyaide cables and heard a clear improvement over generic leads. I happily own the Oyaide. 

The main point I would make is that I only heard differences in the digital cables after changing to high quality analogue interconnects and good speaker cables.

As to whether it's money well spent, only you can decide. I think the first priority should always be the components (source, amp, speakers).

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RE: USB cables, please share your experience

dont know about usb but i tried a minijack to 2 rca purchased from a hypermarket. then i got a qed reference. i am not experienced with hifi as many here but the difference was serious. 

i couldnt hear the difference yet between some cheap speaker cables and medium priced ones though.

i have a wireworld ultraviolet usb and i will get a cheap one to test it against just for fun. i will.call a friend and we will do blind tests.

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RE: USB cables, please share your experience

See if you can borrow an expensive USB lead. After you have convinced yourself that it is absolutely no difference to a cheap one, give it back.

Job done.

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RE: USB cables, please share your experience

If you listen to an expensive audiophile USB cable and to you it makes the sound quality better, keep it, the sound quality sounds better. Hifi and music should be a route to happiness with music and IMO anything that makes the listening experience better is worthwhile.

 

Just beware that the evidence that a USB or indeed any other cable can inherantly (as in its construction, materials used) affect SQ in any way is nil. And please do not suggest to anyone else that because it sounds better to you it is a better cable than any other USB cable.

 

 

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RE: USB cables, please share your experience

I'll open by saying that I don't use USB for audio and it's unlikely I ever will so cannot comment from experience.

It seems to me that there is a risk of assuming that all audiophile USB cables are equal.  I doubt they are.  There are most likely some which are just bog standard cables with bundled audiophile marketing aimed at emptying your wallet.  There may well be some that are genuinely audiophile being built by people who really know their stuff.  All I'm saying is that a single comparison will likely not be decisive, unless of course you happen to have included a genuine audiophile cable in the comparison.

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RE: USB cables, please share your experience

CnoEvil wrote:

In the current (Jan 13) HFW, their "Wishful Thinking" for Christmas presents, lists Vertere D-Fi Cables...and I quote:

"No-one questions the sonic differences between speaker cables any more - but there are still those who nay-say the gains a good USB connection can make. Well there's no nay-saying the quality of Vertere's D-Fi range. Hook up a Laptop to your hifi and the extra detail and musical detail they convey is astonishing. 

Decent recordings are shorn of their sometimes mechanical digital sheen and come across with real authority. The brainchild of Roksan founder Touraj Moghaddam, the cables provide a startling demonstration of what can be achieved by the most unpromising of sound sources, if you take a little care".

I don't play music through a USB cable, so these are the words and findings of HFW....but bear out what I believe I heard in the demo evening I attended.

Well I know hi-fi companies vouch for USB cables, most of them have highly revealing and hugely expensive systems through which I'm sure differences shine. I was thinking more of the Average Joe with his mid priced setup. The Vertere cables seemed to have made a differece to a modest setup but I can hardly justify spending 100 pounds on a usb cable for a 220 pound dac, I don't know if it'll make as much a difference to the HRT as a change in dac will to the setup if I get a sub 400 pound dac for instance. Surely people have tried cheaper options right?

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RE: USB cables, please share your experience

SteveR750 wrote:

And to Shafesk:

IMO no difference between any USB cable whatsoever. I'm more concerned with hum / ground loops using this type of connection to a PC, and IME it's down to the DAC manufacturer. There wasn't really that much difference between DACs when I tested some of them, let alone cables. I use a £5 or so gold plated thing from Amazon, sounds the same as the £15 gold plated monster wrapped Lindy.  

Thank you Steve, we all know it takes guts to make any statement in this forum about cables...my salute  good job

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Nogsk wrote:

I predominately use black ones as they match my kit, I suspect they sound better than grey ones, which can look a bit dull.

I change cables based on my mood, usually red interconnects as I have anger issues  twisted

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RE: USB cables, please share your experience

MUSICRAFT wrote:

Hi shafesk

I use a basic USB cable (with a Chord Electronics QBD76 DAC) which I bought at the local market for £1.

All the best 

Rick @ Musicraft

Cheers Rick

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RE: USB cables, please share your experience

Ben123 wrote:

I changed the usb cable from the standard one that came with the rpac to one with these RF filter type things on and couldnt hear a difference.  Maybe the standard cable was better but im just guessing.

Tempted to try a kimber to answer the question for myself once and for all, if nothing else, (and yes i understand the underlying tech).  Especially on the rpac which uses usb for power and data.

Well do let us know if you do. The HRT runs on usb power, I didn't necessarily hear a difference between my stock usb cables, one just wouldn't work with the HRT and one does.

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RE: USB cables, please share your experience

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Mine's gold plated, so I'm confident it's the best contact. I've see how the digits can get lost in the gap, bit like jumping on the tube when drunk.

I see digits...spooky

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RE: USB cables, please share your experience

paradiziac wrote:

shafesk wrote:

 hence I want to hear from actual users.

I tried a £50 Wireworld USB cable on an MF v-dac and the difference over a printer USB cable was negligible. I returned the cable.

A few system upgrades later, I repeated the experiment with Siltech and Oyaide cables and heard a clear improvement over generic leads. I happily own the Oyaide. 

The main point I would make is that I only heard differences in the digital cables after changing to high quality analogue interconnects and good speaker cables.

As to whether it's money well spent, only you can decide. I think the first priority should always be the components (source, amp, speakers).

thanks, I genuinely think my system should show the difference, I use decent cabling and interconnects too....

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Head-fi:

Akg K702, Grado SR60i, UE Triple-fi, Musical Fidelity X-cans, HRT Music Streamer 2+