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My point is that WHF reviewers have given exceeding favourable reviews to some USB cables.  Mr Roth is obviously of the opinion that the reviews are rubbish.  Therefore, I ask why we should trust reviews of Roth products when reviewed by the same team?

The reviews might be absolute nonsense but they are valuable in helping (or not, depending on review result) sales of products. You can take from a magazine review what you will, but it's better to make an informed decision based on actual exprience and using a little common sense and knowledge, rather than being sucked in by marketing, paid for or otherwise.

As for Roth AV? I've no idea of the products made/sold, but I'm wary of all reviews regardless.

As someone has said before, fools will always be fooled all of the time.

 

 

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Hookyspud wrote:

paradiziac wrote:

El Hefe wrote:

And the main advice above is actually borrow and decide by yourself...

+1

I strongly disagree. I think the best advice is the truth, which is that digital cables have nothing to do with audio/video quality beyond them actually working, or not. There's no such thing as a better one in terms of performance, so why borrow one? What would one be deciding on?

Borrow because the question by OP is related to cost of the cable.... To avoid him spending extreme amount of money unnecesarily.

This is hifi and music. Make a decision base on what one hears, not based on what other people hear, or whatever a 6 page long thread on 1s and 0s discussion trying to prove or whatever a review says. YMYD.

Surely the best way to help the OP avoid spending an extreme amount of money unnecessarily, is to explain to him/her that USB cables can have no effect on audio quality? Advising he/she demoes different USB cables and decides for him/herself whether any sound different is only going to confuse, and set the stage for expectation bias, which most likely will lead to unnecessary spending.

Yes this is hifi and music, and people should make decisions based on what they hear, but they should also know what can effect sound quality and what can't, so they know what's worth demoing and what isn't.

USB cables are not worth demoing because they have no effect on sound quality.

 

 

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ifor wrote:

ROTH AV wrote:

An audible difference between USB cables ?

Really ?

Laughed so hard my bum bled.

I found this interesting.  I assume Mr Roth looks forward to / hopes for favourable reviews for his products from the WHF reviewing team, but with comment he's effectively said that we can't trust WHF reviews.  A bit of a Gerald Ratner moment methinks.

I don't get this. Are you saying that if my friend supports the English cricket team (as me), then I should be happy about his support for Manchester United (when I support Man City), simply because we both support the same team in cricket?

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I think it's clear Mr Roth should visit his GP.

 

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Funny!  :grin:

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Oh for goodness sake, when is this going to end? Mains, Speaker, interconnect, USB, even Cat 5/6/7 cables MAKE A DIFFERENCE. Yes, there are cables which are really cheap which sound good, There are expensive cables which are a total rip-off. Decide what you are willing to pay. Listen to lots of cables. Ignore dealers/producers who will not let you try-before-you-buy. Then buy the best you can afford and ENJOY YOUR MUSIC. Idiots about in both the 'makes no difference' and 'this cable has changed my life' camps. There are seriously expensive cables which make a serious amount of difference and there are some which don't (made by shysters - you know who you are) and there are some real bargains which add much more listening enjoyment than indicated by their price. Stop this puerile fundamentalism and listen! (You may note I have deliberately refrained from recommending my favourites). Dirol

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Cat 5/6/7? you are just trying to wind us up, surely you cannot believe that?

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Knowing more sometimes can be more confusing. When it comes to pleasure of music, I rather one to trust their own ears eventhough there is white paper by Albert Einstein himself saying the opposite. 

And its for the OP to take any advices with a pinch of salt. This is not a textbook exercise of which there is a clear right or wrong. 

Play a track today and play it again next week without changing anything in your set up. I will be surprised if there isn't even a slight different in sound.

 

 

 

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Welcome to the WhatHiFi forum......and try and chill out!

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El Hefe wrote:

Knowing more sometimes can be more confusing. 

 

Brilliant. A career in stand up awaits. 

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BenLaw wrote:

El Hefe wrote:

Knowing more sometimes can be more confusing. 

Brilliant. A career in stand up awaits. 

Or middle management  Smile

 

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El Hefe wrote:

Hookyspud wrote:

El Hefe wrote:

Hookyspud wrote:

paradiziac wrote:

El Hefe wrote:

And the main advice above is actually borrow and decide by yourself...

+1

I strongly disagree. I think the best advice is the truth, which is that digital cables have nothing to do with audio/video quality beyond them actually working, or not. There's no such thing as a better one in terms of performance, so why borrow one? What would one be deciding on?

Borrow because the question by OP is related to cost of the cable.... To avoid him spending extreme amount of money unnecesarily.

This is hifi and music. Make a decision base on what one hears, not based on what other people hear, or whatever a 6 page long thread on 1s and 0s discussion trying to prove or whatever a review says. YMYD.

Surely the best way to help the OP avoid spending an extreme amount of money unnecessarily, is to explain to him/her that USB cables can have no effect on audio quality? Advising he/she demoes different USB cables and decides for him/herself whether any sound different is only going to confuse, and set the stage for expectation bias, which most likely will lead to unnecessary spending.

Yes this is hifi and music, and people should make decisions based on what they hear, but they should also know what can effect sound quality and what can't, so they know what's worth demoing and what isn't.

USB cables are not worth demoing because they have no effect on sound quality.

 

Knowing more sometimes can be more confusing. When it comes to pleasure of music, I rather one to trust their own ears eventhough there is white paper by Albert Einstein himself saying the opposite. 

And its for the OP to take any advices with a pinch of salt. This is not a textbook exercise of which there is a clear right or wrong. 

Play a track today and play it again next week without changing anything in your set up. I will be surprised if there isn't even a slight different in sound.

 

 

 

But there is a clear right and wrong re this subject. Digital cables have no effect on sound quality. Explaining so is clearly right, whereas suggesting otherwise is clearly wrong.

 

 

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BenLaw wrote:

El Hefe wrote:

Knowing more sometimes can be more confusing. 

 

Brilliant. A career in stand up awaits. 

Happy to entertain. Will be here all night Smile

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professorhat wrote:

BenLaw wrote:

El Hefe wrote:

Knowing more sometimes can be more confusing. 

Brilliant. A career in stand up awaits. 

Or middle management  Smile

 

 

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paradiziac wrote:

El Hefe wrote:

 

 

Knowing more sometimes can be more confusing. When it comes to pleasure of music, I rather one to trust their own ears eventhough there is white paper by Albert Einstein himself saying the opposite. 

And its for the OP to take any advices with a pinch of salt. This is not a textbook exercise of which there is a clear right or wrong. 

Play a track today and play it again next week without changing anything in your set up. I will be surprised if there isn't even a slight different in sound.

But there is a clear right and wrong re this subject. Digital cables have no effect on sound quality. Explaining so is clearly right, whereas suggesting otherwise is clearly wrong.

 

 

 

There is no clear right and wrong on the subject. One party says one thing and the other says the opposite. Both parties try to show their evidence and yet both parties are not authoritive enough nor in the industry and engineering or science. And now you say digital cables, not only USB have no effect on sound quality.  Good for you to be one of those who can accept that.  It sometimes can be a curse on people that feels the opposite.

Hence, thats why I always go back to listening rather than  solely relying on reviews and thoughts.

 

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