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Perhaps they could badge up an air filter, this will remove any impurities / pollution from the air that will improve Wi Fi streaming. And thus improve audio on wireless streamers. Mind you if you can think of it, it probably exists already Smile

Got to patent it before anyone else does!  :type:

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This already exists Smile

http://phys.org/news/2012-12-boeing-spuds-in-air-wi-fi.html

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To believe that expensive USB cables make any difference you need to suspend all rational, scientific thought. Considering that the very devices connected by USB cables were designed and manufactured using rational, scientific thought it makes no sense to spend any extra money on cables with no ration, scientific explanation as to why they work.

The "you need to try it" argument simply does not hold  water. No matter how many USB cables I hear there will always be another one to listen to before I can say they don''t improve sound quality over cheap cables. Its a bit like saying you need try astrology, scientology or homeopathy before you are allowed to dismiss them as quackery. :wall:

Sorry rant over. Save your money buy some beer and CD's. I'm going for a lie down.

 

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As I posted before, there are actually good engineering reasons why (under certain conditions - a USB powered DAC and / or synchronous data transfer) the quality of the cable and connectors may make a difference.

I am amazed that on a website where people bang on about mains cables, swapping switching supplies for linear, different sounding speaker cables (all without engineering merit), that the importance of a good clean supply and a nice jitter free bitstream for the D2A chip seem to carry such little weight.

As was linked to earlier, you can indeed engineer around this.  Porsche have had the engine in the wrong place on the 911 for nearly 50 years.  They have done a great job of engineering around this, but the engine is still in the wrong place. Think what they could of done if the engine was in  the right place....

The same is true of DACs.  You want a clean supply and stable bitstream.  The way to get this is to have a local DAC clock, async data transfer and a nice clean supply.  In this case the quality of the USB cable, streamer (or mains cable...)  wont matter one jot.

You can make a DAC powered off a USB cable, deriving its clock from the incoming data, spend your engineering effort trying to clean up the supply and data but the quality of power supply and pulse stability will still matter, and that still MAY be impacted by the USB cable.

The moral is to buy an async DAC with a local supply and not worry about the USB cable.  

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This already exists Smile  http://phys.org/news/2012-12-boeing-spuds-in-air-wi-fi.html 

Excellent

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This might interest you.

http://www.gspaudio.co.uk/lautus-audio-interconnect.htm

£96 for 1.2 metres of USB !

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hammill wrote:

Rimse wrote:

There is difference between free usb printer cable and expensive ones.Expensive one usually accentuate bass,high,mids,remove sibilance or add it .

A cable transferring digital data cannot do any of those things, except via the placebo effect.

 

Exactly.  Rimse would you only use a specific brand of cable to print a picture or make a back-up of your hard-drive?  Of course not the idea is preposterous as is hdmi and usb cables affecting bass or treble or blacker blacks.

No,you are wrong,it has nothing to do digital data.But the wire inside is diffrent ,so this means data will go faster or slower.Next just imagine that wire inside is coffee inside cup ,adding more or less coffe will retain aroma of coffe( in this case DATA) and taste will be like coffe,but  the taste (in this case sound) will stronger or lighter,bitter or sweeter.,adding sugar or milk wil affect taste as well.Thats what people hear.Many states blind taste.Ok I would say Blind taste for blind people.Usually they have better hearing.And then we'll see who is wrong who is right ROFL

Besides that ,to remember tone of frequencies is more dificult then words.Tones usually very quickly are changing in music and this is the basic cause why blind test are failing .Human's brain can't memorize such amount of information.

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Rimse wrote:

relocated wrote:

hammill wrote:

Rimse wrote:

There is difference between free usb printer cable and expensive ones.Expensive one usually accentuate bass,high,mids,remove sibilance or add it .

A cable transferring digital data cannot do any of those things, except via the placebo effect.

 

Exactly.  Rimse would you only use a specific brand of cable to print a picture or make a back-up of your hard-drive?  Of course not the idea is preposterous as is hdmi and usb cables affecting bass or treble or blacker blacks.

No,you are wrong,it has nothing to do digital data.But the wire inside is diffrent ,so this means data will go faster or slower.Next just imagine that wire inside is coffee inside cup ,adding more or less coffe will retain aroma of coffe( in this case DATA) and taste will be like coffe,but  the taste (in this case sound) will stronger or lighter,bitter or sweeter.,adding sugar or milk wil affect taste as well.Thats what people hear.Many states blind taste.Ok I would say Blind taste for blind people.Usually they have better hearing.And then we'll see who is wrong who is right ROFL

Besides that ,to remember tone of frequencies is more dificult then words.Tones usually very quickly are changing in music and this is the basic cause why blind test are failing .Human's brain can't memorize such amount of information.

1) So, which wires are "slow" & which are "fast"? What's their speed, and can you perceive the "slowness"?

2) I honestly didn't understand how the "coffee" analogy applies here. :?

3) If human brain can't even memorize such amount of information to appreciate the improvement, why bother with an expensive cable? Wink

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No,you are wrong,it has nothing to do digital data.But the wire inside is diffrent ,so this means data will go faster or slower.Next just imagine that wire inside is coffee inside cup ,adding more or less coffe will retain aroma of coffe( in this case DATA) and taste will be like coffe,but  the taste (in this case sound) will stronger or lighter,bitter or sweeter.,adding sugar or milk wil affect taste as well.

ROFL

This is no different to people believing in creationism. No amount of reason or science will sway them from their beliefs.

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Rimse wrote:

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hammill wrote:

Rimse wrote:

There is difference between free usb printer cable and expensive ones.Expensive one usually accentuate bass,high,mids,remove sibilance or add it .

A cable transferring digital data cannot do any of those things, except via the placebo effect.

 

Exactly.  Rimse would you only use a specific brand of cable to print a picture or make a back-up of your hard-drive?  Of course not the idea is preposterous as is hdmi and usb cables affecting bass or treble or blacker blacks.

No,you are wrong,it has nothing to do digital data.But the wire inside is diffrent ,so this means data will go faster or slower.Next just imagine that wire inside is coffee inside cup ,adding more or less coffe will retain aroma of coffe( in this case DATA) and taste will be like coffe,but  the taste (in this case sound) will stronger or lighter,bitter or sweeter.,adding sugar or milk wil affect taste as well.Thats what people hear.Many states blind taste.Ok I would say Blind taste for blind people.Usually they have better hearing.And then we'll see who is wrong who is right ROFL

Besides that ,to remember tone of frequencies is more dificult then words.Tones usually very quickly are changing in music and this is the basic cause why blind test are failing .Human's brain can't memorize such amount of information.

 

Rimse, I really think you need to get your medication changed.    :O

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No,you are wrong,it has nothing to do digital data.But the wire inside is diffrent ,so this means data will go faster or slower.Next just imagine that wire inside is coffee inside cup ,adding more or less coffe will retain aroma of coffe( in this case DATA) and taste will be like coffe,but  the taste (in this case sound) will stronger or lighter,bitter or sweeter.,adding sugar or milk wil affect taste as well.

ROFL

This is no different to people believing in creationism. No amount of reason or science will sway them from their beliefs.

People who believe in creationism can't use computer technology or the internet (or TVs, telephones, audio, cars, food blenders, medicine, plastics etc. etc.) because all the technology and science - that make almost everything in the modern world possible - is based on 'lies' and is therefore impossible. It simply won't work. So they won't bother us here.

(Try finding oil if you believe all geology happened in the last 6000 years.)

 

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Rimse wrote:

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hammill wrote:

Rimse wrote:

There is difference between free usb printer cable and expensive ones.Expensive one usually accentuate bass,high,mids,remove sibilance or add it .

A cable transferring digital data cannot do any of those things, except via the placebo effect.

 

Exactly.  Rimse would you only use a specific brand of cable to print a picture or make a back-up of your hard-drive?  Of course not the idea is preposterous as is hdmi and usb cables affecting bass or treble or blacker blacks.

No,you are wrong,it has nothing to do digital data.But the wire inside is diffrent ,so this means data will go faster or slower.Next just imagine that wire inside is coffee inside cup ,adding more or less coffe will retain aroma of coffe( in this case DATA) and taste will be like coffe,but  the taste (in this case sound) will stronger or lighter,bitter or sweeter.,adding sugar or milk wil affect taste as well.Thats what people hear.Many states blind taste.Ok I would say Blind taste for blind people.Usually they have better hearing.And then we'll see who is wrong who is right ROFL

Besides that ,to remember tone of frequencies is more dificult then words.Tones usually very quickly are changing in music and this is the basic cause why blind test are failing .Human's brain can't memorize such amount of information.

I don't usually get personal on this forum but sorry to say - you are writing utter rubbish

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 No,you are wrong,it has nothing to do digital data.But the wire inside is diffrent ,so this means data will go faster or slower.Next just imagine that wire inside is coffee inside cup ,adding more or less coffe will retain aroma of coffe( in this case DATA) and taste will be like coffe,but  the taste (in this case sound) will stronger or lighter,bitter or sweeter.,adding sugar or milk wil affect taste as well.Thats what people hear.Many states blind taste.Ok I would say Blind taste for blind people.Usually they have better hearing.And then we'll see who is wrong who is right ROFL

Besides that ,to remember tone of frequencies is more dificult then words.Tones usually very quickly are changing in music and this is the basic cause why blind test are failing .Human's brain can't memorize such amount of information.

 

ROFL  funniest most innacurate thing written in a long time. 

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Besides that ,to remember tone of frequencies is more dificult then words.Tones usually very quickly are changing in music and this is the basic cause why blind test are failing .Human's brain can't memorize such amount of information.

So how do you remember what cables sounded like 'sighted' if audio memory is so bad (which it is)?

The reason people 'fail' properly constructed blind tests, is because the things they are testing sound the same.

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Rimse wrote:
No,you are wrong,it has nothing to do digital data.But the wire inside is diffrent ,so this means data will go faster or slower.Next just imagine that wire inside is coffee inside cup ,adding more or less coffe will retain aroma of coffe( in this case DATA) and taste will be like coffe,but  the taste (in this case sound) will stronger or lighter,bitter or sweeter.,adding sugar or milk wil affect taste as well.Thats what people hear.Many states blind taste.Ok I would say Blind taste for blind people.Usually they have better hearing.And then we'll see who is wrong who is right ROFL

Besides that ,to remember tone of frequencies is more dificult then words.Tones usually very quickly are changing in music and this is the basic cause why blind test are failing .Human's brain can't memorize such amount of information.

Sorry, but this does nothing for me.  There are some good explanations, but this isn't one of them.  I suggest we leave the explanations to the audio engineers who know their stuff; unfortunately a lot of them don't know what we need them to know, which is why we need to trust our ears.  There's certainly little point paying much attention to the vast majority of us ignorant folk participating in this thread.

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