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Upgrade from Dynaudio Excite x12??? ATC, PMC, Focus 160???

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Thank you all for your comments!!!

 

Well, I guess the focus 160 are off the list due to the size of my room. To bad because I love the sound of the Dyns.

 

For those that don't like the X12 top end, are you trying to drive them with an arc welder??? ha ha. Dyns are revered for there smooth, rich top end. I'd say you've got to turn down the volume or your going to loose your hearing completely!! Smile))) 

 

From my own listening experience. ATC are very transparent and shine through whatever they are feed, including the character of the amp they are attached to. Given a good source with a good amp they sound fantastic to my ears. Bryston is probably a great choice in that regard. 

 

I never got excited about the KEF speakers I have heard but there may have been mitigating factors (Poor amp choice, etc) and it's been a while since I auditioned them. ( I always found them overly bright. I will try them again. BTW, LS50 destroy X12???...unlikely:) Not saying it's not better, but destroy is a pretty strong word. 

 

It's quite an art to be able to filter forum statements and decide who's comments to believe and who couldn't tell the difference between good sound and a barn door flapping in the wind. I'm getting better at it but it takes time.

 

I'm heavily leaning towards the ATC right now and it would take a pretty convicting demo to sway me to something else. As you know, I've already heard them and loved the sound they are capable of producing when paired up with the right amp.

 

Earl

 

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Rick, your statement I quoted about the SMC 19 doesn't sound too far off in my opinion, but I have not had the luxury of auditioning too many speakers. I take it you have listened to a lot of speakers? I kind of threw your comment out there to see if I could generate some opposing opinions but I didn't get anything that swayed me your thoughts that these are one of the best. Earl

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Rick, your statement I quoted about the SMC 19 doesn't sound too far off in my opinion, but I have not had the luxury of auditioning too many speakers. I take it you have listened to a lot of speakers? I kind of threw your comment out there to see if I could generate some opposing opinions but I didn't get anything that swayed me your thoughts that these are one of the best. Earl

Hi Earl

To clarify my view on SCM19's (MK1) monitors is that while SCM19's were in production i felt that fwiw, i believe SCM19 monitors are probably the VFM passive bookshelf design speakers currently available on the market regardless of price.

Btw, i feel that ATC's new curved SCM11 monitors surpass the performance of SCM19 (MK1) monitors. Therefore i'll recommend that you should also consider the new curved SCM11 monitors or the new curved SCM19 monitors as these should be available soon.

All the best

Rick @ Musicraft

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earlxtr wrote:

Rick, your statement I quoted about the SMC 19 doesn't sound too far off in my opinion, but I have not had the luxury of auditioning too many speakers. I take it you have listened to a lot of speakers? I kind of threw your comment out there to see if I could generate some opposing opinions but I didn't get anything that swayed me your thoughts that these are one of the best. Earl

Not heard the ATCs, but I've aquired PMC TB2i and have to say they are mustard. Far easier to drive and look a lot nicer... and they're cheaper.

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Well, there's a turn up!  Perhaps you could start a new thread on your big change, PP?

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I never got excited about the KEF speakers I have heard but there may have been mitigating factors (Poor amp choice, etc) and it's been a while since I auditioned them. ( I always found them overly bright. I will try them again. BTW, LS50 destroy X12???...unlikely:) Not saying it's not better, but destroy is a pretty strong word. 

 

 

Based on my experience with Dynaudio Contour 1.3 MK II's and Kef LS50, then indeed yes, the Kef's are leagues ahead (less bass though). But then again, I don't know how the Contours compare with the Excites ....

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mpapo wrote:

earlxtr wrote:

I never got excited about the KEF speakers I have heard but there may have been mitigating factors (Poor amp choice, etc) and it's been a while since I auditioned them. ( I always found them overly bright. I will try them again. BTW, LS50 destroy X12???...unlikely:) Not saying it's not better, but destroy is a pretty strong word. 

 

 

Based on my experience with Dynaudio Contour 1.3 MK II's and Kef LS50, then indeed yes, the Kef's are leagues ahead (less bass though). But then again, I don't know how the Contours compare with the Excites ....

 

Probably depends what amp. you use, for me the Kef LS50s were better, the X12 I found irritating. Kefs being bright I don't understand that if anything I found them the opposite whatever that is, but they do benefit from a good amp. 

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Having heard the Contour S1.4 they need a very good amp to make the most of them, way beyond Arcam A19 or Roksan Kandy. Absolute minimum is a Naim XS...

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Sorreltiger wrote:

Well, there's a turn up!  Perhaps you could start a new thread on your big change, PP?

No.

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Having heard the Contour S1.4 they need a very good amp to make the most of them, way beyond Arcam A19 or Roksan Kandy. Absolute minimum is a Naim XS...

 

Or a MF M6i?

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plastic penguin wrote:

Having heard the Contour S1.4 they need a very good amp to make the most of them, way beyond Arcam A19 or Roksan Kandy. Absolute minimum is a Naim XS...

 

Or a MF M6i?

If that's what floats your boat. Personally I'd rather eat my own toenails.

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Having heard the Contour S1.4 they need a very good amp to make the most of them, way beyond Arcam A19 or Roksan Kandy. Absolute minimum is a Naim XS...

Spot on.

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Or a MF M6i?

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If that's what floats your boat. Personally I'd rather eat my own toenails.

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PP; why do you find the MF M6i (and m3i) so bad? I havent't heard it, but read good things about this amp. Why i'am looking at a better amp for my Dynaudio Focus 260 and don't like bright sound with my music (metal,rock, pop) i thought this amp maybe a good choice. Other amps i'am looking are Roksan Caspian (looks very ugly) and Naim (but maybe too shrill)

 

 

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PP; why do you find the MF M6i (and m3i) so bad? I havent't heard it, but read good things about this amp. Why i'am looking at a better amp for my Dynaudio Focus 260 and don't like bright sound with my music (metal,rock, pop) i thought this amp maybe a good choice. Other amps i'am looking are Roksan Caspian (looks very ugly) and Naim (but maybe too shrill)

A read of this thread may answer your question: http://www.whathifi.com/forum/hi-fi/naim-or-musical-fidelity-0

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Or a MF M6i?

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If that's what floats your boat. Personally I'd rather eat my own toenails.

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PP; why do you find the MF M6i (and m3i) so bad? I havent't heard it, but read good things about this amp. Why i'am looking at a better amp for my Dynaudio Focus 260 and don't like bright sound with my music (metal,rock, pop) i thought this amp maybe a good choice. Other amps i'am looking are Roksan Caspian (looks very ugly) and Naim (but maybe too shrill)

 

 

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I don't - my past experience with MF has left a (negative) scar.

Fully understand you like a warm sound, but if veer too far into the warm sector it kills the presentation, and thus enjoyment. You need light with dark, so to speak, not dark with dark. By the same token, I couldn't handle light with light. The trick is to find the right balance.

Don't confuse a lively presentation with bright or harsh. How that balance is found is really down to budget and taste: When I had the RS6s with the Leema the whole thing was balanced by all my sources.

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