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egoBen wrote:

I am rigtht now listening to a pair of Harbeth 30.1 in my home using my Jadis JA30 mono's. Everything that has been said about these speakers are correct, the midrange is very clear and guitars, voices etc stand out perfectly and beautifully, it sounds very natural and "real". (A bit silly, but I couldn't help muself from crying a bit right away listening to the first tracks from Dylan's Bootleg Series vol 8 Tell Tale Signs, they have an almost magical realness to them, alternative versions of Mississippi and Most of The Time are the tracks.) The bass isn't crystal clear but with a solid state amp it would probably be. The bass is deep enough for my liking, and there's no boomyness at all, which makes me happy. The drawback is the the size, being bookshelve speakers, they are actually quite big and my girlfriend isn't too happy about this. The spekaers are pretty similar in sound to the smaller Harbeth P3ESR that I've heard earlier.

I also have the chance to hear a pair of Audio Note J's. I look forward to hearing them a lot.

Jadis + Harbeth sounds like a match made in heaven.  cheer

Look forward to hearing what you think of the AN-Js.....I've only heard their speakers on the end of their own kit, so will be interested in what you think.

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egoBen wrote:

I am rigtht now listening to a pair of Harbeth 30.1 in my home using my Jadis JA30 mono's. Everything that has been said about these speakers are correct, the midrange is very clear and guitars, voices etc stand out perfectly and beautifully, it sounds very natural and "real". (A bit silly, but I couldn't help myself from crying a bit right away listening to the first tracks from Dylan's Bootleg Series vol 8 Tell Tale Signs, they have an almost magical realness to them, alternative versions of Mississippi and Most of The Time are the tracks.) The bass isn't crystal clear but with a solid state amp it would probably be. The bass is deep enough for my liking, and there's no boomyness at all, which makes me happy. The drawback is the the size, being bookshelve speakers, they are actually quite big and my girlfriend isn't too happy about this. The spekaers are pretty similar in sound to the smaller Harbeth P3ESR that I've heard earlier.

I also have the chance to hear a pair of Audio Note J's. I look forward to hearing them a lot.

Good to hear back from you, was wondering how you were getting on.

Not heard Audio Note speakers myself, but a brand that does interest me so look forward to your impressions.

Mac

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I have continued to listen to the Harbeth 30.1 speakers. My first impressions still stands, I am actually even more impressed! I read often that Harbeth make boring speakers. I couldn't disagree more. Every record I play sounds so natural, easy, airy, lean, smooth, real, detailed, balanced, involving etc etc... It's very obvious that they are easy to drive aswell, there is an "attack", a distinct sound, that I haven't heard with my others speakers (Amphion and Dynaudio) unless I use A LOT of power. I could easily live with these speakers, probably forever. One more thing, these are much better than the P3ESR speakers at least in my room (about 20sqm). I only wish Harbeth could make a speaker that's bigger than the P3ESR but smaller than this 30.1. My girlfriend told me she could pay 50% if I could find a speakers that sound as good with the same looks but are smaller. Smile

The Audio Note AN-J speakers are ment to be but very close to the back wall, wich makes makes them interesting to listen to.

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egoBen wrote:

I have continued to listen to the Harbeth 30.1 speakers. My first impressions still stands, I am actually even more impressed! I read often that Harbeth make boring speakers. I couldn't disagree more. Every record I play sounds so natural, easy, airy, lean, smooth, real, detailed, balanced, involving etc etc... It's very obvious that they are easy to drive aswell, there is an "attack", a distinct sound, that I haven't heard with my others speakers (Amphion and Dynaudio) unless I use A LOT of power. I could easily live with these speakers, probably forever. One more thing, these are much better than the P3ESR speakers at least in my room (about 20sqm). I only wish Harbeth could make a speaker that's bigger than the P3ESR but smaller than this 30.1. My girlfriend told me she could pay 50% if I could find a speakers that sound as good with the same looks but are smaller. Smile

The Audio Note AN-J speakers are ment to be but very close to the back wall, wich makes makes them interesting to listen to.

Boring!... never! natural and balanced is exactly what you get with Harbeth.

Such a pity you couldn't try the Shl5's, you would be even more impressed.

When will you be trying Audio Note?

Mac

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Sweet looking setup you've got there acalex. The finish on those Sonus Fabers looks very classy. Cool

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Sweet looking setup you've got there acalex. The finish on those Sonus Fabers looks very classy. Cool

Thanks a lot! I can't stop admiring how beautiful they are Laughing out loud

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In my experience , the quality of the output transformers are the most important. When this is of good quality , you can drive almost every type of speakers. Mine are 84db and my tube poweramp delivers 50 Watts p/channel. And it goes very loud when needed. As for your Jadis,  you can expect the outputransformers are of great quality.

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Just contacted Vertere, let's wait for their answer Smile.

Thanks Cno again for that!

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In my experience , the quality of the output transformers are the most important. When this is of good quality , you can drive almost every type of speakers. Mine are 84db and my tube poweramp delivers 50 Watts p/channel. And it goes very loud when needed. As for your Jadis,  you can expect the outputransformers are of great quality.

You are right and this is what I have realised by trying, was always surprised by how loud without distorting a "low-powered" tube amp can go when driving "inefficient" speakers. 

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go and visit the tekton webbsite 

tekton pendragon 

are  as good as reference models 

and cost til 30 times lesser than those 

sensitivity 98

20 hz - 30 khz 

sorry because i am not searching for speakers i don't know if they deliver in europe 

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onlystyle wrote:

go and visit the tekton webbsite 

tekton pendragon 

are  as good as reference models 

and cost til 30 times lesser than those 

sensitivity 98

20 hz - 30 khz 

sorry because i am not searching for speakers i don't know if they deliver in europe 

Thanks but I am not looking for speakers anymore, I just bought those  beauty, eh

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Got answer from Vertere, apparently they contacted directly the importer in the netherlands which is ready to come to any dealer of my choice for a demo. I would have preferred to have the cables directly shipped to me to try for a few weeks before deciding if I am going to take them or not. Not sure I would be able to assess performance on cables during a demo with a system which is not mine, what do you think?

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Got answer from Vertere, apparently they contacted directly the importer in the netherlands which is ready to come to any dealer of my choice for a demo. I would have preferred to have the cables directly shipped to me to try for a few weeks before deciding if I am going to take them or not. Not sure I would be able to assess performance on cables during a demo with a system which is not mine, what do you think?

I agree....you can't make a proper judgement unless you hear them on your system, especially with the money that's involved. They should understand this, and work with you.

Can you speak to the importer, and ask to have the demo in your house, instead of a dealer*.....and if that proves promising, try to persuade them to either leave them with you for a while, or arrange a way for a longer trial. Once you meet face to face and form a relationship, it should be easier to come to an arrangement. 

* If you can lay on other interested parties for this, it will give you more leverage (as well as giving a second opinion) - so make this clear.

Your other option would be to persuade the importer to send the cables to your preferred dealer, who would take responsibility for them and lend them to you.

If they refuse to accommodate you, still allow the demo, as they could well be worth the effort.....but you would have to be truly impressed to take the thing further.

There is always the possibility that they aren't for you.

 

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So they actually agreed to come to Antwer bringing a pair of Pulse X speaker cables and Pulse B/C for I/C. I aganin stated my point saying for me is a deal breaker the fact of having to live with the cables for a while and couldn't be bothered about having a simple demo session at the dealers' shop. Hope they understand the point I am trying to make! 

Now let's wait and see... beauty, eh

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acalex wrote:

So they actually agreed to come to Antwer bringing a pair of Pulse X speaker cables and Pulse B/C for I/C. I aganin stated my point saying for me is a deal breaker the fact of having to live with the cables for a while and couldn't be bothered about having a simple demo session at the dealers' shop. Hope they understand the point I am trying to make! 

Now let's wait and see... beauty, eh

I am constantly impressed with the lengths that you are prepared to go,in order to try stuff out....but imo it's the only way to truly find out what's right for you......let's hope this time it works out in the way that I think it should.

Looking forward to this episode of Bill and Ted's excellent adventure!  Wink

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