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For a couple of days, I have tried Harbeth P3:s with my Jadis equipment. I think the bass is very nicely controlled, very different from when I am using Dynaudio speakers which isn't exactly ideal with only 30 watts. The Harbeths are great. The size and amount of deep bass suits my room. I am going to listen to other speakers aswell, hopefully also Audio Note's. Sonus Faber would be interesting to try aswell.

Thanks for getting us back on topic.

If possible, try the Harbeth SHL5's. 

If you've read this thread http://www.whathifi.com/forum/hi-fi/new-amplifier-my-long-journey

you will know what Alex thinks of SF with his Jadis... Audio Note another top speaker.

Keep us posted how you get on.

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For a couple of days, I have tried Harbeth P3:s with my Jadis equipment. I think the bass is very nicely controlled, very different from when I am using Dynaudio speakers which isn't exactly ideal with only 30 watts. The Harbeths are great. The size and amount of deep bass suits my room. I am going to listen to other speakers aswell, hopefully also Audio Note's. Sonus Faber would be interesting to try aswell.

Thanks for getting us back on topic.

If possible, try the Harbeth SHL5's. 

If you've read this thread http://www.whathifi.com/forum/hi-fi/new-amplifier-my-long-journey

you will know what Alex thinks of SF with his Jadis... Audio Note another top speaker.

Keep us posted how you get on.

Mac

I like the initial idea of this thread very much and I want to to read about speakers that suits low-medium powered tube amplifiers. So keep writing! Harbeth speakers are, what it seems like, easier to drive than many other modern day speakers. (The salesman didn't think so at all actually, but I wanted to try them at home anyway. He thinks people are crazy trying low ohm speakers with tube amplifiers.) The P3esr:s are wonderful and I would like to try other speakers in the family but I'm afraid the bass will become too boomy in my room, I think I need something smaller. The reason why I'm not comletely sold is because they don't sound as big and beatiful as my other speakers, Dynaudio and Amphion. Actually, they did sound a bit small, there wasn't music all over the room like I'm used to, but that's of course only natural as they are smaller than a shoe box. The perfect bass is there though. Smile

I have also heard my 30 watt Jadis amps with System Audio Mantra 60, pretty big danish floor standers and it was great! System Audio make speakers with very small drivers, 4", and several of them, and the bass is very "quick", which suits tube amps very well. If I'd had a bigger room I think I had gotten me a pair myself.

A friend at work praises the combination tubes and Sonus Faber Cremona's but I haven't managed to hear them myself.

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I have a very acoustically demanding listening room... quite long, but narrow and had terrible trouble finding a loud speaker that did not boom, finally settling on the SHL5's... try them if you can, you won't be disappointed.

I know of lots of people who use the Harbeth/tube combo and love it.

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I have a very acoustically demanding listening room... quite long, but narrow and had terrible trouble finding a loud speaker that did not boom, finally settling on the SHL5's... try them if you can, you won't be disappointed.

I know of lots of people who use the Harbeth/tube combo and love it.

Mac

 

That's very good to know. But I think the big Harbeth HL5 speakers are simply too big, both for the room aestheticly and especially my girlfriend. We have seen them in a store, but never heard them. I'm afraid it's not even an option. Maybe, if we listen to them, if they are good enough, she might change her opinion. Smile I have read good things about the new Harbeth 30.1. They are very good looking aswell, much like the small P3:s but bigger. Should be pretty tube friendly aswell, and I don't think they are rear ported either, which should be good in my listening room. Can't have them very far out.

Right now I am doing an experiement. I am using my ordinary speakers with a very powerful solid state amp (Bladelius Thor II, 2x165 watt) just to see if there still is this booming sound in the room. And there is. It's not the 30 watt tube amp that's the problem, it's the room with too big speakers. This means I have to look for speakers that doesn't go too low, but still, they should be easy to drive as well. The search goes on. Yippie! And I mean that. Smile

Edit: I have to add that I am very picky about booming bass. Some of my friends would have prefered more and much more of this, they wouldn't care at all. But I do.

 

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I'm the same, can't stand boomy base.

Take a look at this might give you a few pointers when it comes to Harbeth

http://www.harbeth.co.uk/usergroup/forumdisplay.php?56-Harbeth-Super-HL5

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egoBen, you should try the Zingali bookshelfs if you can, these are very easy to drive and not boomy.

 

Also, if you don't mind the plain black look, you should try the Quested H108, very easy to drive and not boomy as well.

 

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Also, if you don't mind the plain black look, you should try the Quested H108, very easy to drive and not boomy as well.

 

 

Heard one of the prototype/early models of this, very nice and good value.

 

Alos I would also see if you can hear some older Snells (E, J and K models). Not perfectly to my taste, but most if not all the models are easy to drive (Impedence stays above 6 Ohms) and reasonable efficiency due to their preference for near wall placement.

http://www.snell.no/the_archives_type_E.htm

The cheaper Audionote range are worth a look as well being a similar style to the Snells.

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Also, if you don't mind the plain black look, you should try the Quested H108, very easy to drive and not boomy as well.

 

+1 Quested make some great speakers.

I haven't heard the passive versions but I rate their active speakers as some of the best around. They're a bit fugly though.

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Ben, which model of Jadis you have?

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Ben, which model of Jadis you have?

I have the JP15 pre and JA30 mono's. I like them very much, will probably keep forever, but it's only 2x30 watts after all, finding the perfect speakers is tricky.

I was very close to audition the new Harbeth 30.1 yesterday but there was a Wilson Audio demo in the store. How's it going for you?

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Ben, which model of Jadis you have?

I have the JP15 pre and JA30 mono's. I like them very much, will probably keep forever, but it's only 2x30 watts after all, finding the perfect speakers is tricky.

I was very close to audition the new Harbeth 30.1 yesterday but there was a Wilson Audio demo in the store. How's it going for you?

Ben, don't get trapped by the low watt theory. I have heard the Jadis driving the Sonus Faber Cremona M (floorstanders) with ease..and it just does magic with the Sonus Faber Guarneri memento which are rated at 89dB only. As far as I am concerned, the level of volume I have tried it's more than enough for me for the everyday listening sessions...

I also would like to try soon the pre and monoblocks to see if there is any difference with the integrated. 

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acalex wrote:

Ben, which model of Jadis you have?

I have the JP15 pre and JA30 mono's. I like them very much, will probably keep forever, but it's only 2x30 watts after all, finding the perfect speakers is tricky.

I was very close to audition the new Harbeth 30.1 yesterday but there was a Wilson Audio demo in the store. How's it going for you?

Ben, don't get trapped by the low watt theory. I have heard the Jadis driving the Sonus Faber Cremona M (floorstanders) with ease..and it just does magic with the Sonus Faber Guarneri memento which are rated at 89dB only. As far as I am concerned, the level of volume I have tried it's more than enough for me for the everyday listening sessions...

I also would like to try soon the pre and monoblocks to see if there is any difference with the integrated. 

It's not the db's that is the issue, I can play loud as... and the volume pot is even made in a way that makes the sound very loud quickly! Some speakers are a bit slow in the bass if they aren't paired with 120 watts or more, for instance Dynaudio, which is a pity as they are amazing speakers and fill the whole room with beautiful atmosperic sounds.

I am very curious about Sonus Faber, how they would sound in my room that tends to make the bass boom very easily. The Harbeth P3ESR did not. Not my old Monitor Audios (BR5) either, but they were inferior to the Dynaudio's in most other aspects. If I only had a bigger and better room I could chose from a wider range of speakers.

I was interested in the DA60 and JA80's but they're both huge and very expensive. I heard the DA88 once. No problem with bass I can tell you. Smile

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Dynaudios need an amplifier with a low output impedance (high damping factor) to control them, which means solid state; most tube amps have a high output impedance and can't control the woofer motion; it isn't about the power. For the Jadis I'd look at overdamped speakers which need little damping from the amplifier.

 

I'd try the Amphion Argon1 & Argon3 from Finland.

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Dynaudios need an amplifier with a low output impedance (high damping factor) to control them, which means solid state; most tube amps have a high output impedance and can't control the woofer motion; it isn't about the power. For the Jadis I'd look at overdamped speakers which need little damping from the amplifier.

 

I'd try the Amphion Argon1 & Argon3 from Finland.

Jadis is built to work with 2 Ohm speakers (had a chat with Patrick Jadis about that)...

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egoBen wrote:

acalex wrote:

Ben, which model of Jadis you have?

I have the JP15 pre and JA30 mono's. I like them very much, will probably keep forever, but it's only 2x30 watts after all, finding the perfect speakers is tricky.

I was very close to audition the new Harbeth 30.1 yesterday but there was a Wilson Audio demo in the store. How's it going for you?

Ben, don't get trapped by the low watt theory. I have heard the Jadis driving the Sonus Faber Cremona M (floorstanders) with ease..and it just does magic with the Sonus Faber Guarneri memento which are rated at 89dB only. As far as I am concerned, the level of volume I have tried it's more than enough for me for the everyday listening sessions...

I also would like to try soon the pre and monoblocks to see if there is any difference with the integrated. 

It's not the db's that is the issue, I can play loud as... and the volume pot is even made in a way that makes the sound very loud quickly! Some speakers are a bit slow in the bass if they aren't paired with 120 watts or more, for instance Dynaudio, which is a pity as they are amazing speakers and fill the whole room with beautiful atmosperic sounds.

I am very curious about Sonus Faber, how they would sound in my room that tends to make the bass boom very easily. The Harbeth P3ESR did not. Not my old Monitor Audios (BR5) either, but they were inferior to the Dynaudio's in most other aspects. If I only had a bigger and better room I could chose from a wider range of speakers.

I was interested in the DA60 and JA80's but they're both huge and very expensive. I heard the DA88 once. No problem with bass I can tell you. Smile

I am taking home the Sonus Faber Guarneri Memento some time soon, you are more than welcome to come by and have a listen if you want. I would also like to demo the 88, but I decided I am going to complete my system first...and I can assure you the DA50Signature with the Memento did not have any problem...

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