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Well, I guess Vertere is not interested anymore as they didn't contact me again after my last mail. Pity as it would have been interesting to compare and I was ready to depart with the money...a missed opportunity!

On the good side, Black ravioli distributor called saying that they will contact Francis to try and ship a few demo products. I explained to them what I am looking for and the type of equipment I have...let's see how they react.

I will report my findings of course! Wink

-4 days to the Akurate!  :cheers:

At the risk of interfering, I have just rung Vertere.

If you can send an email to ad@vertereacoustics.com and explain your situation again, he will see what he can do. Title the email "CnoEvil", and say that it is a follow up from my call. State where you are, what you want to achieve and what has happened so far. He gets about 200 emails a day and yours is probably in a queue somewhere. He said he will keep an eye out for the Cnoevil title and that your distributer is a sound guy, who may not fully understand where you are coming from.

Let me know how it goes....I'll see this happens, even if it kills me.

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Well, I guess Vertere is not interested anymore as they didn't contact me again after my last mail. Pity as it would have been interesting to compare and I was ready to depart with the money...a missed opportunity!

On the good side, Black ravioli distributor called saying that they will contact Francis to try and ship a few demo products. I explained to them what I am looking for and the type of equipment I have...let's see how they react.

I will report my findings of course! Wink

-4 days to the Akurate!  :cheers:

At the risk of interfering, I have just rung Vertere.

If you can send an email to ad@vertereacoustics.com and explain your situation again, he will see what he can do. Title the email "CnoEvil", and say that it is a follow up from my call. State where you are, what you want to achieve and what has happened so far. He gets about 200 emails a day and yours is probably in a queue somewhere. He said he will keep an eye out for the Cnoevil title and that your distributer is a sound guy, who may not fully understand where you are coming from.

Let me know how it goes....I'll see this happens, even if it kills me.

Thanks a lot my friend, really appreciate. I will send an email to them tomorrow morning and see how they will react.

In the meantime yesterday I realised that the Jadis just inverst phase...so I had to invert the loudspeaker cables...swapped this morning and started playing and did like this  :O

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Thanks a lot my friend, really appreciate. I will send an email to them tomorrow morning and see how they will react.

I'm only making the effort in this case, because I think you should hear these cables...though I risk looking like an idiot if you don't like them, but c'est la vie.

I would also like to see Vertere do well, as they sound excellent, and are an innovative design (by a British Co.).

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In the meantime yesterday I realised that the Jadis just inverst phase...so I had to invert the loudspeaker cables...swapped this morning and started playing and did like this  :O

:O :O

That would have considerably opened up the sound.

 

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I really appreciate, if you felt it was so good I can't not try them at lest Biggrin

Siltech made an huge improvement, today I also connected the 800 power cable from Siltech and this time I could fill a difference compared to the other one I tried from Kemp...

Yes sound is more open and the basses are seriously better, they are simply rock solid now...I have the feeling I also gained something in speed...my girlfriend also asked me tonight what I have changed as from stone cold was sounding better than yesterday  Dirol

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I really appreciate, if you felt it was so good I can't not try them at lest Biggrin

Siltech made an huge improvement, today I also connected the 800 power cable from Siltech and this time I could fill a difference compared to the other one I tried from Kemp...

Yes sound is more open and the basses are seriously better, they are simply rock solid now...I have the feeling I also gained something in speed...my girlfriend also asked me tonight what I have changed as from stone cold was sounding better than yesterday  Dirol

There is often a cohesiveness to be gained by keeping the cabling all from the one manufacturer.....but saying that, it wouldn't surprise me if the Shunyata Black Mamba is even better.

I'm glad you could (I think) hear the surprising effect that a decent m/c can bring.....and you will probably find that you will miss it more than you'd expect, when it's removed. (which is the best way to check for sure).

Any word from your partner-in-crime?

 

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acalex wrote:

I really appreciate, if you felt it was so good I can't not try them at lest Biggrin

Siltech made an huge improvement, today I also connected the 800 power cable from Siltech and this time I could fill a difference compared to the other one I tried from Kemp...

Yes sound is more open and the basses are seriously better, they are simply rock solid now...I have the feeling I also gained something in speed...my girlfriend also asked me tonight what I have changed as from stone cold was sounding better than yesterday  Dirol

There is often a cohesiveness to be gained by keeping the cabling all from the one manufacturer.....but saying that, it wouldn't surprise me if the Shunyata Black Mamba is even better.

I'm glad you could (I think) hear the surprising effect that a decent m/c can bring.....and you will probably find that you will miss it more than you'd expect, when it's removed. (which is the best way to check for sure).

Any word from your partner-in-crime?

 

Rob is still looking for a good set-up and tomorrow he will come to pick up the Siltech 220 cables to try with the Avalon. I might also give him the 330i as I will swap to the 550i tomorrow to have a comparison. Francis also gave me the 770i... I think he has understood very well now the way to deal with us  ROFL

I will definitely try the old interconnect before making any decision...and the Black Mamba of course which is an impressive looking cable (it's 3 times bigger than the Siltech!)

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How much of the improvement was down to the correct phase, and how much (and what) improvement was down to the mains cable?

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How much of the improvement was down to the correct phase, and how much (and what) improvement was down to the mains cable?

I just connected the Black Mamba to the Jadis and the Siltech to the phonostage....everything came more forward, more attack and the voice gained a focus and an authority which are incredible...everything is more neat. The bass, on the other hand, it is still solid...a bit overbooming sometimes...don't think this can be improved with the cables...I need to decouple the speakers from the floor and improve acoustic. 

I will later try to remove the Siltech from the phonostge and see what happens...if this amazing voice is due to the Black Mamba or not...

Having a lot of fun  :cheers:

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CnoEvil wrote:
How much of the improvement was down to the correct phase, and how much (and what) improvement was down to the mains cable?

I just connected the Black Mamba to the Jadis and the Siltech to the phonostage....everything came more forward, more attack and the voice gained a focus and an authority which are incredible...everything is more neat. The bass, on the other hand, it is still solid...a bit overbooming sometimes...don't think this can be improved with the cables...I need to decouple the speakers from the floor and improve acoustic. 

I will later try to remove the Siltech from the phonostge and see what happens...if this amazing voice is due to the Black Mamba or not...

Having a lot of fun  :cheers:

It would be good to get feedback on where you find a mains cable brings the most improvement ie. Source or Amp; and what the differences are between the Siltech and Shunyata ie. Which you prefer, and why.

Wait till you hear what the 35i sounds like with good cabling....especially a M/C. :shifty:

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acalex wrote:

CnoEvil wrote:
How much of the improvement was down to the correct phase, and how much (and what) improvement was down to the mains cable?

I just connected the Black Mamba to the Jadis and the Siltech to the phonostage....everything came more forward, more attack and the voice gained a focus and an authority which are incredible...everything is more neat. The bass, on the other hand, it is still solid...a bit overbooming sometimes...don't think this can be improved with the cables...I need to decouple the speakers from the floor and improve acoustic. 

I will later try to remove the Siltech from the phonostge and see what happens...if this amazing voice is due to the Black Mamba or not...

Having a lot of fun  :cheers:

It would be good to get feedback on where you find a mains cable brings the most improvement ie. Source or Amp; and what the differences are between the Siltech and Shunyata ie. Which you prefer, and why.

Wait till you hear what the 35i sounds like with good cabling....especially a M/C. :shifty:

I have the impression the Siltech connected to the phonostage exacerbated the bass problem but also brought a neater and a bit more forward voice...I will try to confirm this by swapping the phono stage power cord with the original one and leaving the black mamba on the Jadis...

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There is a strong school of thought that says the best mains cable should be on the Source, so try putting the Shunyata on it, and the Siltech on the Amp.

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acalex wrote:

CnoEvil wrote:

acalex wrote:

Well, I guess Vertere is not interested anymore as they didn't contact me again after my last mail. Pity as it would have been interesting to compare and I was ready to depart with the money...a missed opportunity!

On the good side, Black ravioli distributor called saying that they will contact Francis to try and ship a few demo products. I explained to them what I am looking for and the type of equipment I have...let's see how they react.

I will report my findings of course! Wink

-4 days to the Akurate!  :cheers:

At the risk of interfering, I have just rung Vertere.

If you can send an email to ad@vertereacoustics.com and explain your situation again, he will see what he can do. Title the email "CnoEvil", and say that it is a follow up from my call. State where you are, what you want to achieve and what has happened so far. He gets about 200 emails a day and yours is probably in a queue somewhere. He said he will keep an eye out for the Cnoevil title and that your distributer is a sound guy, who may not fully understand where you are coming from.

Let me know how it goes....I'll see this happens, even if it kills me.

Thanks a lot my friend, really appreciate. I will send an email to them tomorrow morning and see how they will react.

In the meantime yesterday I realised that the Jadis just inverst phase...so I had to invert the loudspeaker cables...swapped this morning and started playing and did like this  :O

 

I'm confused, have you been listening to your speakers out of phase all this time?

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acalex wrote:

CnoEvil wrote:

acalex wrote:

Well, I guess Vertere is not interested anymore as they didn't contact me again after my last mail. Pity as it would have been interesting to compare and I was ready to depart with the money...a missed opportunity!

On the good side, Black ravioli distributor called saying that they will contact Francis to try and ship a few demo products. I explained to them what I am looking for and the type of equipment I have...let's see how they react.

I will report my findings of course! Wink

-4 days to the Akurate!  :cheers:

 

At the risk of interfering, I have just rung Vertere.

If you can send an email to ad@vertereacoustics.com and explain your situation again, he will see what he can do. Title the email "CnoEvil", and say that it is a follow up from my call. State where you are, what you want to achieve and what has happened so far. He gets about 200 emails a day and yours is probably in a queue somewhere. He said he will keep an eye out for the Cnoevil title and that your distributer is a sound guy, who may not fully understand where you are coming from.

Let me know how it goes....I'll see this happens, even if it kills me.

Thanks a lot my friend, really appreciate. I will send an email to them tomorrow morning and see how they will react.

In the meantime yesterday I realised that the Jadis just inverst phase...so I had to invert the loudspeaker cables...swapped this morning and started playing and did like this  :O

 

I'm confused, have you been listening to your speakers out of phase all this time?

Yes  :shifty:

The Sonus Faber only for 2 weeks though. Nobody told me the Jadis inverts phase, I just found out when my dealer gave me the box and the manual of the amplifier...

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There is a strong school of thought that says the best mains cable should be on the Source, so try putting the Shunyata on it, and the Siltech on the Amp.

Tried...you know what? I prefer more with the Siltech at the phonostage...would be nice to see what the effect would be with two Siltech (one for amp and the other for phonostage). 

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acalex wrote:

CnoEvil wrote:
There is a strong school of thought that says the best mains cable should be on the Source, so try putting the Shunyata on it, and the Siltech on the Amp.

Tried...you know what? I prefer more with the Siltech at the phonostage...would be nice to see what the effect would be with two Siltech (one for amp and the other for phonostage). 

Personally, I have always preferred the better M/C on the amp, especially those that draw a lot of current (and have fast transient response).

You are right to try all possible combinations.

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