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Whoops how stupid of me  :doh:

The answer is still an emphatic yes, but can I give you a call or email to save hijacking this thead further? Perhaps the mods can pass-on my email address. 

My thread, your pleasure Wink

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Just asked JD to pass my mail and phone to you , see you somewhere on the m6 

 

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No email received as yet.
Not complaining, just pointing out that I haven't received it or ignored it.

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Sorry, got it now - James did ask me late last night but I see now that I have your permission, which was what I was looking for Smile

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No problem John Smile

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Just asked JD to pass my mail and phone to you , see you somewhere on the m6 

 

James 

 

 

 

 

 

How does one go about doing this? Start a thread?

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im with you on that one freddy

had a few amps latley with no tone controls,just need the treble knob for pop music ie lady gaga,pink etc whose producers think its cool to destroy the mid range of thre customers vocal content and make my tweeters sound metallic!

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I think JD's email is in his sig , or maybe I have it from when he bollocked me over forum rules

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im with you on that one freddy

had a few amps latley with no tone controls,just need the treble knob for pop music ie lady gaga,pink etc whose producers think its cool to destroy the mid range of thre customers vocal content and make my tweeters sound metallic!

I hear you loud and clear on such as this but I think a lot of it's down the average equipment it's been mastered to sound good on. Back in my day when I trained as a recording engineer I did cover the basics of mastering, and back then the idea was you created a sound which was palatable on everything from a small boombox to some lucky sod's Martin Logans. These days I'm not sure that approach stands for 'consumer-grade' music.

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hoojtune73 wrote:

im with you on that one freddy

had a few amps latley with no tone controls,just need the treble knob for pop music ie lady gaga,pink etc whose producers think its cool to destroy the mid range of thre customers vocal content and make my tweeters sound metallic!

I hear you loud and clear on such as this but I think a lot of it's down the average equipment it's been mastered to sound good on. Back in my day when I trained as a recording engineer I did cover the basics of mastering, and back then the idea was you created a sound which was palatable on everything from a small boombox to some lucky sod's Martin Logans. These days I'm not sure that approach stands for 'consumer-grade' music.

 

I'm thinking personal preferences are utmost? As far as I'm concerned, a bit extra bass here, a bit more treble there, it's my choice. I actually think it's a bit arrogant to not include tone controls by manufacturers.

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I'm thinking personal preferences are utmost? As far as I'm concerned, a bit extra bass here, a bit more treble there, it's my choice.

No harm in that.

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I actually think it's a bit arrogant to not include tone controls by manufacturers.

Nah, no arrogance in their decision, just supply and demand.  Smile

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Freddy58 wrote:
I'm thinking personal preferences are utmost? As far as I'm concerned, a bit extra bass here, a bit more treble there, it's my choice.

No harm in that.

Freddy58 wrote:
I actually think it's a bit arrogant to not include tone controls by manufacturers.

Nah, no arrogance in their decision, just supply and demand.  Smile

 

Maybe demand would be higher if they included tone controls? Dunno. I just think that manufacturers should make the option available. Maybe they are persuaded by HiFi snobs?

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tiz a strange one,i was a lad in the 80s with a midi system dreaming of all things naim and linn and how good my now albums would sound source direct and such like,the thing is now having had the hifi experience still really need a little treble attenuation to see off the brightness in its production:dance:

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Maybe demand would be higher if they included tone controls? Dunno. I just think that manufacturers should make the option available. Maybe they are persuaded by HiFi snobs?

Maybe, but maybe in doing so they'd alienate the demographic/market-sector they built the amps for in the first place, who didn't want tone controls. Which what I meant with supply and demand. Mainsteam Jap manufacturers in the 80s/90s started building amps like the Pioneer A400, Kenwood 3020 and even my own Marantz PM66KI without tone controls not because they were being arrogant but because there was a demand for such a product.

Another driver behind the decline of tone controls was the rise in popularity of amps designed like the Cyrus 1 and 2, which basically were high-sensitivity power-amps with a variable attenuator in front (ie the volume control) and no active pre-amp other than the phono-stage. This kind of design couldn't lend itself easily to having tone controls built into its circuit.

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I'm all for hi-fi snobs.

I want a system that, within it's limitations, does it's best to reproduce the music as created and performed. I find the idea of 'tuning' a system, through equipment choice or tone controls so that the sound is more to my 'taste', patently absurd.

I have no problems with eq, though I find conventional tone controls to be fairly useless. I find the (bass) shelving controls found on many active speakers to be useful and the Quad pre-amp eq with Bass eq and Tilt control to be pretty well thought out but regular tone controls have never really helped (me).

It no longer bothers me that some want to 'modify' their systems in this way, this 'if it sounds good, it is good' nonsense may be the modern way but to me it simply misses the point, by quite a long way. But to each his own.

Predominately though it is just a matter of semantics, for me if a system does not do the best it can to recreate the original performance, then it is not hi-fi. It is not really a price thing either, their are some budget components that make a decent stab at hi-fi, but an awful lot just tries to give the mass market what it thinks they want, hence my somewhat jaundiced view on most budget and a fair amount of higher priced equipment.

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