It's not "hi-fi"
I wouldn't know if it is or isn't and, in any case, that didn't feature in my thinking for this.
Sorry, just feeling a bit >)
Spent the afternoon clearing out the Nigel.
What classical music are you listening to?
Well, I know Ash mentioned it recently and has sung their praises given Yamaha's development potential and so on, so I wonder if that factored into your thinking to some extent.
Anyway, that's a sideshow, soundbars aren't what I want. I like the flexibitliy to be able to move my stuff around as I like. Centralising into a sub that's sitting on the floor - with neighbours beneath - and a soundbar under my TV, nope, not for me.
Good solution for some, but this isn't representative of the way forward, just one option of many, much as Matthewpiano said.
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No worries, just clarifying. I don't tend to get bogged down in the whole whether something's hifi or not, if it ticks the boxes for you, then great, after that, you can call it whatever fits best!
I have to say, the Denon AVR-X2000 looks great value for money. Might be worth an audition.
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Listening to MUSIC!
Yep, Airplay and Spotify onboard. Hmmm...But Onkyo's sound I like. The NR-717 is heavily discounted too just now, as is the 616. I can get Airplay easy engough via the ATV so there's no loss on that score. Could be a close run thing here.
The advice wasn't for your benefit.
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Open forum, such is life. You shouldn't have queried my comment in that case.
If you don't like the answer...
I have no real opinion on your answer, but was curious to know why you dismissed a soundbar out hand, I thought you might have had some useful insight.
Given the OPs post, it would seem a perfect solution, one that had certainly not caught my attention until recently. It certainly fits the bill for me, so I might have to go get a listen to one some time.
Depends what you mean by useful insight (a varying barometer at best on the internet). Soundbars restrict flexibility as I'd mentioned, for my needs anyway, they do offer centralised discreet functionality, but the subwoofer needs to go somewhere. Is it bringing anything new to the game? Yamaha introduced the soundbar concept a few years ago I think, but I'm not sure they'll take off domestically.
With 'insight' I meant some sort of experience with the latest technology regarding soundbars and how effective they are.
Their future would depend upon how good they are at creating a pseudo surround effect. If they can achieve this with any success, I would imagine them to be very popular, they are after all, just an AV system in a compact package, less wires, less racking/shelf real estate required and multi media capable.
I don't see how they restrict flexibility, pop them under the telly and you're good to go. No need to worry about positioning at all other than this, so I'd say they were more flexible than most kit available.
You needn't go to the latest technology, the original one was excellent and did - apparently - an impressive job in throwing out a believeable soundstage, whether music or movies. This isn't new - Yamaha introduced the digital soundbar in the mid-2000s and it did well at the time, but look at how many budget speakers there are under £500. This is not a dying market.
People want simplicty in their hardware - centralised amps that deliver multiple functions or facilitate them - but I'd guess most people also prefer a traditional pair of speakers too. This sits with those who want pseudo-surround sound without going the full 6 or 8 speaker hog.
I don't have the sales figures, but hifi is quite a small market (and shrinking) when compared to AV (including multimedia tech) and if AV can do music, then most people are not going to spend extra on additional hifi. We can not consider ourselves to be part of the group of 'most people' in general and even some of the more modest systems would raise eyebrows for the costs.
"It costs how much and only plays music?"
You only have to flick through WHFS&V to see the evidence of this. Hifi is in the minority compared to other tech in the content and it wasn't always the case.
The 930 has a bit of a cult status amongst Sony Receivers and in my humble opinion for good reason. It sounds effortlessly musical, bouncy, elastic, dynamic and whatever other weird names come to mind. Neutral too. The phono stage is good and the whole receiver is loaded with good quality parts. An equally built AV receiver would, I guess cost quite a bit today but as I am not into HC I can't really comment. - Even the phono stage is good. I've changed a few things but even in original condition it is a very good amplifier.
I would go as far and say the Sony is the closest I have come to a decent valve amplifier with regards to being 'musical' (micro dynamics as opposed to warm and soggy).
That's lucky, maybe I'll hang on to mine then, often wondered why I'd never noticed it performing as poorly in stereo as AV amps are supposed to.
I just use the multi-channel outs from my BDP, does the job.
No signature worth mentioning...
I'm not debating that. Most people now would likely want to downsize as the functionality to deliver function and form in one package is readily available. I was really referring to speakers and the breadth of choice that is available to consumers at the same sort of price, allied to what I think is a preference by most of those consumers for a traditional speaker over a soundbar.
If you want a receiver that can grasp more musical presentations with two-channel playback I would look into 4 brands only. Arcam, Primare, NAD, Anthem. They don't have the full-option possibilities like Yamaha, Denon, Marantz, Onkyo, Pioneer and so on (Ok, maybe the LX series still applies) but they are more of a no fuzz-brands that focus more on the sound then the entire package you will get for the price. Less options (depends on how pricy you are willing to go) but more attention to the sound when it comes with two-channel playback. These brands still have receivers that don't cost a fortune while still performing admirably. I know that Denon has a high-end too but so do these 4 brands and I don't think it applies because it's very expensive. NAD, Anthem and Arcam still have somewhat payable receivers in their line-up as well. I'm not sure about Primare
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