If I did that for every company that I thought conducted its business in an unethical way I'd be sat in a field with no clothes on.
Although I do excercise that choice with a few brands...such as Apple and to a lesser extent, Amazon.
I try to buy products that haven't been tested on animals or have come through sweatshops and near-slave labour.
But you have chosen to avoid a company because of a couple of loudmouths. Well done. You lose the internet.
I have some sympathy with both these views. What I have no sympathy for is overly vociferous pro or anti AVI folk who bang on all the time, encouraged in no small part by mods (for whom I have little to no respect now) who like to say things like "we really should stop all this" and "what?! Me?! I'm only letting the people talk about what they want to talk about", before jumping head first into deliberately winding things up withing the first page of the thread.
Do let me know which house rules I'm not enforcing...
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Yes, but that doesn't really matter, the competition isn't any of those mf mentioned, but the plethora of actives available around the same price point or cheaper, many of which have more features.
Having tried some of these recently, though, the only ones that come close to a good, as in neutral, sound, are the Adams, Dynaudios and Genelecs in roughly that order.
The Adam Artist 3 and 5 are both sweet speakers that come in under the AVI 5, and have better features.
I got the impression the pro audio market is definitely being targetted, in which case the AVIs would need to be something really out of the ordinary, especially as dealers are few and far between. They also need to be sent around the traps for reviews, which has not as yet been AVI policy.
Anyway, time will tell. I gather this is all pre-release marketing anyway, since specs are still changing.
I think you are wrong on this one Al, I totally see where you are coming from but there is much more to this than just the comparison of size, features etc.
Personally, I see the market as being computer audio, either desktop or 'proper' setups where even the ADM 9s are considered too big.
A Sonos Connect and a pair of active speakers are all a lot of people need but they are put off by the looks of studio type speakers, Adam Artist models are probably the most obvious competition but they are hard to find.
There are enthusiasts in the pro-audio business as in any other and no doubt some will like what the ADM5s do, after all the 9s have found themselves in pro applications though in relative small numbers.
Interesting to see how they go when thet are released.
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Not that hard to find: http://www.thomann.de/gb/adam.html
Easy to buy, hard to see or listen too.
I have no issue shipping product out of Germany but I doubt I am the norm in this respect.
Major London dealer, Studiospares, do not sell the Artist range and they are a bit too expensive, relatively speaking, for the music shops.
I think the Adam Artist 6 look rather smart.
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2. There are also the more conventional hifi DAC/pre-amps such as the Beresford DAC's or the Cambridge Audio DACmagic Plus.
3. The Sonos Connect or a Logitech Squeezebox Touch would make a perfect 'all in one' source and pre-amp for active speakers.
4. You can also use any AV reciever which has 'analogue pre-outs' as a DAC and pre-amp.
5. There are some hifi streamers and CD players which include a DAC and pre-amp such as the Audiolab 8200CDQ or the Cambridge Audio Stream Magic 6.
6. There are also dozens and dozens of DAC/pre-amps available from the pro-audio world too.
7. Ashley James even claims that the headphone output from his Phillips TV is audiably indistinguishable from a hifi DAC/pre-amp.
8. Even the iPhone or some of the good quality MP3 players offer genuine high fidelity sound quality from their analogue headphone outputs and can be plugged straight into a pair of active speakers.
As you can see from this comprehensive list there is no shortage of good quality affordable DAC's and pre-amps that can be used with regular active speakers.
You can also add some Blu-ray players to that list too.
Some Blu-ray players such as the Cambridge Audio BD752 or the Oppo 105 have analogue audio outputs which can be used with active speakers.
I love the black finish one, very smart!
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Steve, that's fine, but there are people who have more than one source, then you're into preamp territory.
Also, that list works with any active speaker, whether it be Yamaha, Adam Audio or KRK.
I agree on both accounts.
Personally I'd go for a cheap secondhand AV reciever with 'analogue pre-outs' because it gives you lots of different inputs (digital, analogue and phono stage) and has many other options such as subwoofer outputs, adjustable subwoofer crossover, a graphic equalizer and many other digital options for adjusting the sound in various ways.
Using a cheap AV receiver isn't an issue for sound quality either because you're not going to be using its built in power amplifiers so it's unlikely to have any derogatory effect on the sound quality because you're only using its DAC and pre-amp features.
You think that pre-amps don't matter?
You think that preamps in an AVR are no good?
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I never said that pre-amps don't matter. But provided that the pre-amp has been designed properly then the level of distortion that it introduces will be low enough for it not to be an issue.
I doubt you'd be able to hear any difference between two properly designed pre-amps in a blind comparison. I've tried it once with a few pro-audio monitor controller pre-amps and AV receiver pre-amp and they all sounded identical to my ears.
You don't think.
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