Stand Mount for small rooms, Floorstanders for large rooms is such a generalisation.
Ive got my stand mounts in a 19x12 room
FS in a 12x12 room.
Its not just the equipment that struggles to move with the times. Attitudes do too.
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Bookshelf is just an old term...
From KEF's website today (R100)...
"The KEF R100 is a masterpiece in miniaturisation. Fast, clean and agile, with a low-end performance you would expect from a speaker double its size or with a dedicated LF driver, the R100 has a brilliantly designed full range Uni-Q driver array that makes the smallest R Series bookshelf speaker an astonishing performer."
From B&W website today...
"The smallest model in the 600 series is an incredibly versitile loudspeaker. It is an ideal bookshelf speaker for stereo in smaller rooms, but also a refined rear speaker in home theatre systems."
I am sure there are more.
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Hi Fi companies, heh ? Bookshelf seems to be a mis used term across the industry.
PI don't think the customer seriously thinks of them as BS speakers.
There's always Neat http://www.neat.co.uk/p_pages/petite.php
PP, when I demoed the R100 - was really put by the depth of the cabinets - bet they are precarious on stands too!
Not at all precarious Steve, good weighty cabinets so very well balanced on stands. Sound and look great IMO!
Don't doubt the SQ, but when I clocked'em at the dealers I was gobsmacked by the depth. If they're meant to be bookshelf speakers you'd need ruddy strong shelves and walls.
Bookshelf is just an old term, standmounts would be better term and no they are not just for small rooms, some prefer standmounts to Floorstanders any day never mind the room size.
The whole modern day concept of bookshelf speakers is total bullarks. If I was to choose the R300s they would still need to be at least 17" from the back wall (back of speaker) which means they'll stick out 9cms further at the front and protrude into the living space. Lengthwise my living room is fine but it's the width that makes it borderline. So in the present room configuration speakers such as the R300 are firmly off the menu.
It bloody annoys me because I'd love to hear them. No point if I can't make them work in our space.
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So get a new space, don't blame the industry..................
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How's one do that? Perhaps I should employ Sooty to magic me a new space.
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Neat Iotas really are bookshelf speakers and sound bloody good even with Marantz amplifacation
Oh yeah - they are designed to go on a 'bookshelf'
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Along with the Iotas. but there's another snag: Because I'm so used to the depth of sound one only gets from floorstanders if they are too small it'll sound too puny. That's the issue I have the DB1is. They just lack a scintilla of bass extension, hence why the Rainmakers and ProAcs seem to fit the bill a little more than the smaller boxes or the hunking Kefs.
in a second system PP here
... I saw the 'R' range: R100, 300 and they are strange proportions. Quite small in height but unbelievably deep.
That's been the trend since the late 1990s with most loudspeakers.
I once did a sad little survey of this phenomena in speaker dimensions and 1997 - 1998 seemed to be the turning point where most major brands started making speakers that were a little deeper than they were wide. Go back just a few years from that point and most loudspeakers obeyed the 'wider and shallower' trend that had been prevalent since the 1960s.
One of the most ridiculous looking speakers I have seen recently are the PMC Fact 8s. (155mm wide x 380mm deep.)
Two speaker designers have admitted (on this forum) that it is mostly due to fashion / WAF / smaller rooms in modern homes and not, primarily, down to acoustic principles. This is why you will rarely see bass drivers more than 6.5" being employed in modern speakers and (partly) why the reflex ported cabinet has achieved almost total dominance over 'infininite baffle' (sealed cabinet) types.
Slim speaker cabinets look great in photographs and you'll rarely see them pictured at more than a slight angle. (To obscure their excessive and sometimes quite alarming depth.)
Add to this the usual recommendations to place speakers quite a distance from walls and corners and I honestly think that some of the old cabinets (of an equivalent internal volume) looked far more domestically acceptable and didn't require as much space.
One of the reasons I went after the Tannoys was precisely because they didn't just sound good, they looked right physically. Tried the R100s and they sounded lumpy. Nice looking speaker, more of a cube than anything else, but need room to breathe. Soundwise though, the balance of the DC4 was better, albeit at almost half the price of the R100.
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Wished I had room for a second system. Come to think of it, I don't.
Anyway, I'll eventually find a solution to the room configuration sooner or later, and I can set the sights on speakers not restricted to depth of size.
PP, its more of a family day room with sofa/table/chairs and open plan kitchen, its somwhere for the missus to play Rhianna & Take That cos it aint coming anywhere near MY system
One of the reasons I went after the Tannoys was precisely because they didn't just sound good, they looked right physically.
You aren't wrong. Dimensionally they are a real 'throwback' aren't they?
Almost square in cross section at 152mm x 162mm.
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