... I saw the 'R' range: R100, 300 and they are strange proportions. Quite small in height but unbelievably deep.
That's been the trend since the late 1990s with most loudspeakers.
I once did a sad little survey of this phenomena in speaker dimensions and 1997 - 1998 seemed to be the turning point where most major brands started making speakers that were a little deeper than they were wide. Go back just a few years from that point and most loudspeakers obeyed the 'wider and shallower' trend that had been prevalent since the 1960s.
One of the most ridiculous looking speakers I have seen recently are the PMC Fact 8s. (155mm wide x 380mm deep.)
Two speaker designers have admitted (on this forum) that it is mostly due to fashion / WAF / smaller rooms in modern homes and not, primarily, down to acoustic principles. This is why you will rarely see bass drivers more than 6.5" being employed in modern speakers and (partly) why the reflex ported cabinet has achieved almost total dominance over 'infininite baffle' (sealed cabinet) types.
Slim speaker cabinets look great in photographs and you'll rarely see them pictured at more than a slight angle. (To obscure their excessive and sometimes quite alarming depth.)
Add to this the usual recommendations to place speakers quite a distance from walls and corners and I honestly think that some of the old cabinets (of an equivalent internal volume) looked far more domestically acceptable and didn't require as much space.
THink it started before 97, my Mission 780SEs were like that and that was in 1993? I quite like that shape.
We can all find exceptions. I will counter your Missions with my 1992 JPW Sonatas (230mm wide x 215mm deep) and my 1998 Mordaunt Short MS20i Pearl Editions (217mm wide x 212mm deep).
1997 KEF Q35s (202 wide x 245mm deep) and 2000 KEF Q35.2s (207 wide x 276mm deep) show the trend increasing even in just 3 years and two versions of the same model type.
I dislike where this has ended up.
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For me the depth is the most important, more so than width. Couple of examples:
RS6s, including front grilles (26cm. Currently sitting 17" from wall)
Kef R100, according to kef website: 29cm deep
Kef R300 ---------- ditto ---------------: 34cm deep
Totem Rainmakers : 23cm deep
Totem Arros : 18cm deep
The whole point of standmounts is to use in small rooms, or have I got that totally wrong?
Just to put into perspective the R300s are 5cm deeper than MA PL100s.
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PP, when I demoed the R100 - was really put by the depth of the cabinets - bet they are precarious on stands too!
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It's ridiculous depth. If I eventually change the room around it wouldn't be a problem, but if I had a box room I'd avoid them like the plague. Doesn't matter how good they may sound, either. I know you can 'bung' them, but what's the point of using bungs - I've never used them on the RS6s.
Some bookshelf (hah!) speakers are starting to mimc the proportions of a typical US mailbox (especially when they are on stands the resemblance is even more striking),
It it carrries on like this, today's compact floorstander cabinet will become tomorrows stand mount. (They'll just turn the cabinet through 90 degrees and put the drivers where the top used to be!)
Not wrong there, Chebby.
This is why my shortlist was carefully chosen
Totem Rainmakers, ProAc D2 which is the same depth as the RS6s... while the Kefs have definitely been scrubbed.
TBH, Mrs. P wouldn't be too happy if she saw the depth of those Kefs.
Not at all precarious Steve, good weighty cabinets so very well balanced on stands. Sound and look great IMO!
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Don't doubt the SQ, but when I clocked'em at the dealers I was gobsmacked by the depth. If they're meant to be bookshelf speakers you'd need ruddy strong shelves and walls.
We'll see. The Totems certainly tick most of the boxes but also like the look of the ProAc D2s as well. And the GB1is....
As long as the new speaker doesn't exceed 29cms then it's doable.
And the GB1is....
No longer made.
You'd have to get used ones.
Unilet have currently got a pair of ex-dem for just over a grand.
Not saying they were not others but the Missions are 26 deep inc. grills but only 18cm wide. Missions were popular at the time so guess others followed.
Bookshelf is just an old term, standmounts would be better term and no they are not just for small rooms, some prefer standmounts to Floorstanders any day never mind the room size.
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