However, the Elicit was connected to PMC 23s and it sounded pretty darn good.
once over that £1k mark amps start to sound very good - apparentyl! Bet theres not a lot in it tbh PP, when i demoed the Nait XS2 I couldnt tell them apart, the Elicit R won on matching my other gear & phono stage
Also, TBF to me and the brief dem this afternoon, I've not heard the Leema with such high calibre speakers, so my view really holds no real substance. It's just comment based my initial impression.
I've always held the belief that once you cross the £1000 threshold amps do usually jump up another notch or two.
What would say or guess, Steve, you wouldn't be disappointed if you had the Leema - and it would've saved a fair few quid to boot.
Really so the £1,000 ones are so much better than £999 ones, amazing what £1 can do.
Hope that was written with tongue 'n' cheek? How many amps retail at £999? But the ones I've heard Kandy K2 (£750), Creek Evo2 (£750), Naim 5i (£800) are lacking a little compared to the Leema (originally retailed for £1100) and Roksan Caspian M1 (£1100)....
Yes partly but the MF M3i is £999 i think that was not bad certainly better than a Rega Brio R, sure £1,500 amps are better than £700-£800 ones. Thought the RK Caspian is around £1500?
The Caspian M1 originally retailed a tad over £1000 but a couple of price hikes saw it move towards £1500 mark before being replaced by the M2. IMO there's practically no difference, apart from tonal, between a £500 and £900 amp. Leap to a £1100 amp and the jump is audible.
I can only comment on amps I've heard.
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PP, A decent vinyl front end and streaming solution mate
ATV3 > Rega DAC > Rega Elicit R > Rega RS3
Rega RP6 / 10x5 / MP-110
You won't get PP within a country mile of a DAC let alone a 'streaming solution'
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no moving parts? Transports? Errors? Whats not to like about it
You are 'preaching to the choir' in my case. I'll leave it to you to convince PP. (And will leave it to you to explain how to get it all working if you succeed!)
Nope - no chance of a streaming device. KISS (Keep It Simple Silly).
Fair do's - what CD player you gonna get next then!?
PP, when you next got to your local dealer (for a repair) listen to a Naim or Linn streamer
One of the usual protaganists: Rega, ClearAudio, Pro-ject or Gyrodec.
My Rega/Naim dealer also does Linn as well. Just don't have the stomach for streamers at the moment. If I do dispense with the Naim I'll use the DVD player for cds.
Watch out for all those wonky TTs.
Only applies to Rega!
PP, I reckon you should sell on the Naim CDP get a nice TT - Gyro? Oh yeah while your at it get some different speakers how about some PMC or Totem that will be a kick ass vinyl system then.
Think you have a typo in wonky.
Haven't I already said this?
Speakers are fine for the timebeing. As I've discovered with the Naim they are so much better (tweeter-wise) than with the Arcam CDP.
Sorry to hear about your Naim.
Just an aside regarding speakers - I know you have pretty much discounted the Kefs from the equation but after a rejig of my gear owed to a new rack, my r100s are sounding great about 9" from the rear wall. Could be worth a look?
TT wise, that sounds like a great plan! I am still contemplating my upgrade but reckon an outboard phono stage will do me for now as I am really loving the nas/streaming thing right now.
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When I visited the localish Kef dealer a few weeks back I saw the 'R' range: R100, 300 and they are strange proportions. Quite small in height but unbelievably deep. My money's still on Totem Arros or Rainmakers or PMC GB1is, as and when the time comes. I know a while back I said the Arros were off the radar but can't think of any speakers below £2000 mark that have the dinky sizes and gives me the SQ I'm after.
... I saw the 'R' range: R100, 300 and they are strange proportions. Quite small in height but unbelievably deep.
That's been the trend since the late 1990s with most loudspeakers.
I once did a sad little survey of this phenomena in speaker dimensions and 1997 - 1998 seemed to be the turning point where most major brands started making speakers that were a little deeper than they were wide. Go back just a few years from that point and most loudspeakers obeyed the 'wider and shallower' trend that had been prevalent since the 1960s.
One of the most ridiculous looking speakers I have seen recently are the PMC Fact 8s. (155mm wide x 380mm deep.)
Two speaker designers have admitted (on this forum) that it is mostly due to fashion / WAF / smaller rooms in modern homes and not, primarily, down to acoustic principles. This is why you will rarely see bass drivers more than 6.5" being employed in modern speakers and (partly) why the reflex ported cabinet has achieved almost total dominance over 'infininite baffle' (sealed cabinet) types.
Slim speaker cabinets look great in photographs and you'll rarely see them pictured at more than a slight angle. (To obscure their excessive and sometimes quite alarming depth.)
Add to this the usual recommendations to place speakers quite a distance from walls and corners and I honestly think that some of the old cabinets (of an equivalent internal volume) looked far more domestically acceptable and didn't require as much space.
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