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Don't worry, if you have any trouble finding  an AMS, there's always Sugden Masterclass... not too shabby a substitute as I think Cno would concur

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Don't worry, if you have any trouble finding  an AMS, there's always Sugden Masterclass... not too shabby a substitute as I think Cno would concur

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I concur.....though not ideal for driving Diablos.

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Hey Cno,

hope that you are well mate.

Just thought that I would provide you with an update of developments with my problematic AMS.

Apparently the solder in this particular unit had not been applied correctly. Hmmmmmm puzzled

In some regards this is not entirely a bad thing. Given that failures of this nature are so rare, the second incident had left some question as to whether the cause lay with the rest of my system & not the amp itself. So while I do feel particularly unlucky to have landed a dud unit, at least I now know with certainty where the problem lies.

Once the dealer had confirmed what the problem was he presented me with two options:

1) To wait for repairs & take back the same unit

2) To take his demo unit instead

Three weeks later I still hadn't heard anything so rang today to ask for an update. He now tells me that MF has discontinued the AMS35i & they are unable to source a new one for me!!! Sigh. I pretty much lifted the anger level a couple of notches & indicated that this was far from satisfactory. 

About two hours later I get another call saying that the distributor had confirmed that the ASM35i was definitely no longer being made & that they could not source one from overseas. However they were able to come up with a concilliatory offer. For an extra $2400 Australian they would sell me a brand new Primo pre-amp & an AMS35P power amp. Full retail on this package would be $27k which I would get for $11,400, less than half price, not bad.

To be honest even though this is a very tempting I would really just prefer to get a new 35i. All of my funds are being directed towards my new Linn Akkurate DS at the moment. But the offer is certainly worthy of consideration.

. Judging by the MF website the AMS35P has been discontinued, so I think that they are trying to get out of the predicament by giving me existing stock rather than having to purchase new.

What do you think? Have you heard about the 35i being discontinued? I wonder if it is worth finding out if it is going to be replaced & if so how long this will take. Maybe a new replacement will have HT bypass?

The Primo is a pretty sweet piece of kit, maybe it's worth going there just because the offer is so good. It will provide greater flexibility in the future if I wanted to change amps (not that I think I would). Just from a resale point of view it should more than cover itself. Maybe there is a silver lining at the end of this after all.

Hi there, it's good to hear back from you.

I rang my dealer today and checked some stuff out, so in case it helps here is what I found out along with my thoughts:

As you have rightly gathered, the 35i has not been discontinued, though I wouldn't be surprised if the 35P was, as I don't think they sold very many.

There is a very good case that can be made for taking them up on their offer of Primo + 35P.

1. Due to the extra gain on the pre-amp, and the 35p having 3 times the current delivery of the 35i, the system should be around twice as powerful.

2. The Diablos are a very demanding load (even more so than the Floorstanders), so the 35P's extra current would drive them even better/safer.

3. The Primo is a stunning Pre, so along with the 35P, there should be a good step up in sound quality (maybe even twice as good!) ie. in control, dynamics and detail.

4. You wouldn't need an HT bypass, as you could connect direct into power amp.

5. I would rather have a Majik DS on the end of the Primo/35P than an Akurate on the end of a 35i.

6. You might be less paranoid if you moved away from the 35i, though you should be OK this time.

So to sum up, if it was me, I know if I turned down that deal, it would eat away at me....so that, combined with the fact that the Diablos would lap up the extra current on offer, I would go for it.

Before committing, can you do a home demo to make sure the gains that I say are there, actually are!

The only down side is you are buying a power amp that might be hard to shift on at a later date, without taking a big hit.

Keep us abreast of how this all plays out

Cno

 

HI Cno,

thanks for checking that out & getting back to me so quickly.

Having slept on it overnight, I've woken up feeling pretty certain that I will be taking them up on their offer. Your thoughts have certainly helped to clarify & confirm some of my reasoning.

I hadn't even thought of a direct connection to the 35p for HT bypass, bonus. Although long consideration will be given to keeping the two systems totally separate, it's good to know that at least the option is there.

The extra SQ is the primary motivation & for this sort of money it seems too good to turn down. Even my wife who hasn't been all that happy about my constant budgetary re-evaluations (cough, cough) can see the sense. As for taking a hit on the 35p if I ever wanted to re-sell it (probably wont) I would say the difference would be off-set by the extra re-sale value in the Primo.

The short term impact might just be that the Akkurate takes an extra month or so to be added to the system. Not quite counting my chickens yet, but once again a real confirmation about the value of buying through a reputable dealer. Even though at times I have wanted a greater sense of urgency, in the end after much patience it seems as though the final outcome will be much better than I could have hoped for.

I trust that you won't be revoking my membership in your exclusive church? Surely my baptism of fire has granted me some sort of special dispensation?! Wink Wink

 

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£140 a month or in total? If the latter £12 PCM isn't even a factor.. Well for me anyway.. Thanks for the info pal

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£140 a month or in total? If the latter £12 PCM isn't even a factor.. Well for me anyway.. Thanks for the info pal

£144 per year which I worked out as follows:

1000W = 1 Unit @ 20p/hr

330W (35i) = 6.6p/hr

1Hr of use every day for a year = £24

6Hrs/Day for a year = £144

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Don't be so defeatist...there are probably still a few kicking about in this country. There really is little better under £10k, especially with Majik DS and Kef Refs (not so subtle subliminal marketing!) shifty .......GO LOOK! >)

As I said Im moving shortly Cno. If I spend all the money on an amp I will end up being the little old lady who lived in a speaker. At least the AMS could keep me warm tho lol

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CnoEvil wrote:

Don't be so defeatist...there are probably still a few kicking about in this country. There really is little better under £10k, especially with Majik DS and Kef Refs (not so subtle subliminal marketing!) shifty .......GO LOOK! >)

As I said Im moving shortly Cno. If I spend all the money on an amp I will end up being the little old lady who lived in a speaker. At least the AMS could keep me warm tho lol

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 I trust that you won't be revoking my membership in your exclusive church? Surely my baptism of fire has granted me some sort of special dispensation?! Wink Wink

Of course you are still a member of the 35 Club....its just you'll have gone for a P   (instead of an )!

It's a touch ironic that Class A has led to a baptism of fire.....you deserve a little luck.

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BigColz wrote:

£140 a month or in total? If the latter £12 PCM isn't even a factor.. Well for me anyway.. Thanks for the info pal

£144 per year which I worked out as follows:

1000W = 1 Unit @ 20p/hr

330W (35i) = 6.6p/hr

1Hr of use every day for a year = £24

6Hrs/Day for a year = £144

Ah, but what tariff is that based on?  twisted

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As I said Im moving shortly Cno. If I spend all the money on an amp I will end up being the little old lady who lived in a speaker. At least the AMS could keep me warm tho lol

 

....and I know just the speaker! excellent!

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Ah, but what tariff is that based on?  twisted

Tariff A

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Also remember that if you turn your air-con on less there be an reduction on your bill. Probably not the most green friendly offset available but worth bearing in mind.

If you wanted to push it even further you could possibly look at using it as an electric cooktop as well Smile

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Macspur wrote:

Don't worry, if you have any trouble finding  an AMS, there's always Sugden Masterclass... not too shabby a substitute as I think Cno would concur

:grin:

I concur.....though not ideal for driving Diablos.

good point.

Mac

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Neuphonix wrote:

CnoEvil wrote:

Neuphonix wrote:

Hey Cno,

hope that you are well mate.

Just thought that I would provide you with an update of developments with my problematic AMS.

Apparently the solder in this particular unit had not been applied correctly. Hmmmmmm puzzled

In some regards this is not entirely a bad thing. Given that failures of this nature are so rare, the second incident had left some question as to whether the cause lay with the rest of my system & not the amp itself. So while I do feel particularly unlucky to have landed a dud unit, at least I now know with certainty where the problem lies.

Once the dealer had confirmed what the problem was he presented me with two options:

1) To wait for repairs & take back the same unit

2) To take his demo unit instead

Three weeks later I still hadn't heard anything so rang today to ask for an update. He now tells me that MF has discontinued the AMS35i & they are unable to source a new one for me!!! Sigh. I pretty much lifted the anger level a couple of notches & indicated that this was far from satisfactory. 

About two hours later I get another call saying that the distributor had confirmed that the ASM35i was definitely no longer being made & that they could not source one from overseas. However they were able to come up with a concilliatory offer. For an extra $2400 Australian they would sell me a brand new Primo pre-amp & an AMS35P power amp. Full retail on this package would be $27k which I would get for $11,400, less than half price, not bad.

To be honest even though this is a very tempting I would really just prefer to get a new 35i. All of my funds are being directed towards my new Linn Akkurate DS at the moment. But the offer is certainly worthy of consideration.

. Judging by the MF website the AMS35P has been discontinued, so I think that they are trying to get out of the predicament by giving me existing stock rather than having to purchase new.

What do you think? Have you heard about the 35i being discontinued? I wonder if it is worth finding out if it is going to be replaced & if so how long this will take. Maybe a new replacement will have HT bypass?

The Primo is a pretty sweet piece of kit, maybe it's worth going there just because the offer is so good. It will provide greater flexibility in the future if I wanted to change amps (not that I think I would). Just from a resale point of view it should more than cover itself. Maybe there is a silver lining at the end of this after all.

Hi there, it's good to hear back from you.

I rang my dealer today and checked some stuff out, so in case it helps here is what I found out along with my thoughts:

As you have rightly gathered, the 35i has not been discontinued, though I wouldn't be surprised if the 35P was, as I don't think they sold very many.

There is a very good case that can be made for taking them up on their offer of Primo + 35P.

1. Due to the extra gain on the pre-amp, and the 35p having 3 times the current delivery of the 35i, the system should be around twice as powerful.

2. The Diablos are a very demanding load (even more so than the Floorstanders), so the 35P's extra current would drive them even better/safer.

3. The Primo is a stunning Pre, so along with the 35P, there should be a good step up in sound quality (maybe even twice as good!) ie. in control, dynamics and detail.

4. You wouldn't need an HT bypass, as you could connect direct into power amp.

5. I would rather have a Majik DS on the end of the Primo/35P than an Akurate on the end of a 35i.

6. You might be less paranoid if you moved away from the 35i, though you should be OK this time.

So to sum up, if it was me, I know if I turned down that deal, it would eat away at me....so that, combined with the fact that the Diablos would lap up the extra current on offer, I would go for it.

Before committing, can you do a home demo to make sure the gains that I say are there, actually are!

The only down side is you are buying a power amp that might be hard to shift on at a later date, without taking a big hit.

Keep us abreast of how this all plays out

Cno

 

HI Cno,

thanks for checking that out & getting back to me so quickly.

Having slept on it overnight, I've woken up feeling pretty certain that I will be taking them up on their offer. Your thoughts have certainly helped to clarify & confirm some of my reasoning.

I hadn't even thought of a direct connection to the 35p for HT bypass, bonus. Although long consideration will be given to keeping the two systems totally separate, it's good to know that at least the option is there.

The extra SQ is the primary motivation & for this sort of money it seems too good to turn down. Even my wife who hasn't been all that happy about my constant budgetary re-evaluations (cough, cough) can see the sense. As for taking a hit on the 35p if I ever wanted to re-sell it (probably wont) I would say the difference would be off-set by the extra re-sale value in the Primo.

The short term impact might just be that the Akkurate takes an extra month or so to be added to the system. Not quite counting my chickens yet, but once again a real confirmation about the value of buying through a reputable dealer. Even though at times I have wanted a greater sense of urgency, in the end after much patience it seems as though the final outcome will be much better than I could have hoped for.

I trust that you won't be revoking my membership in your exclusive church? Surely my baptism of fire has granted me some sort of special dispensation?! Wink Wink

 

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Hey Cno,

hope that you are well mate.

Just thought that I would provide you with an update of developments with my problematic AMS.

Apparently the solder in this particular unit had not been applied correctly. Hmmmmmm puzzled

In some regards this is not entirely a bad thing. Given that failures of this nature are so rare, the second incident had left some question as to whether the cause lay with the rest of my system & not the amp itself. So while I do feel particularly unlucky to have landed a dud unit, at least I now know with certainty where the problem lies.

Once the dealer had confirmed what the problem was he presented me with two options:

1) To wait for repairs & take back the same unit

2) To take his demo unit instead

Three weeks later I still hadn't heard anything so rang today to ask for an update. He now tells me that MF has discontinued the AMS35i & they are unable to source a new one for me!!! Sigh. I pretty much lifted the anger level a couple of notches & indicated that this was far from satisfactory. 

About two hours later I get another call saying that the distributor had confirmed that the ASM35i was definitely no longer being made & that they could not source one from overseas. However they were able to come up with a concilliatory offer. For an extra $2400 Australian they would sell me a brand new Primo pre-amp & an AMS35P power amp. Full retail on this package would be $27k which I would get for $11,400, less than half price, not bad.

To be honest even though this is a very tempting I would really just prefer to get a new 35i. All of my funds are being directed towards my new Linn Akkurate DS at the moment. But the offer is certainly worthy of consideration.

. Judging by the MF website the AMS35P has been discontinued, so I think that they are trying to get out of the predicament by giving me existing stock rather than having to purchase new.

What do you think? Have you heard about the 35i being discontinued? I wonder if it is worth finding out if it is going to be replaced & if so how long this will take. Maybe a new replacement will have HT bypass?

The Primo is a pretty sweet piece of kit, maybe it's worth going there just because the offer is so good. It will provide greater flexibility in the future if I wanted to change amps (not that I think I would). Just from a resale point of view it should more than cover itself. Maybe there is a silver lining at the end of this after all.

Hi there, it's good to hear back from you.

I rang my dealer today and checked some stuff out, so in case it helps here is what I found out along with my thoughts:

As you have rightly gathered, the 35i has not been discontinued, though I wouldn't be surprised if the 35P was, as I don't think they sold very many.

There is a very good case that can be made for taking them up on their offer of Primo + 35P.

1. Due to the extra gain on the pre-amp, and the 35p having 3 times the current delivery of the 35i, the system should be around twice as powerful.

2. The Diablos are a very demanding load (even more so than the Floorstanders), so the 35P's extra current would drive them even better/safer.

3. The Primo is a stunning Pre, so along with the 35P, there should be a good step up in sound quality (maybe even twice as good!) ie. in control, dynamics and detail.

4. You wouldn't need an HT bypass, as you could connect direct into power amp.

5. I would rather have a Majik DS on the end of the Primo/35P than an Akurate on the end of a 35i.

6. You might be less paranoid if you moved away from the 35i, though you should be OK this time.

So to sum up, if it was me, I know if I turned down that deal, it would eat away at me....so that, combined with the fact that the Diablos would lap up the extra current on offer, I would go for it.

Before committing, can you do a home demo to make sure the gains that I say are there, actually are!

The only down side is you are buying a power amp that might be hard to shift on at a later date, without taking a big hit.

Keep us abreast of how this all plays out

Cno

 

hey have been away for a while an reading this I'm almost a shame to say I'm enjoying mine every momment more an more...

Only negative point for me is that there are some cd's I really liked in the past that I don't listen to anymore cause the recording is bad Smile

Anyway I have to say I agree with Ceno If you can afford it do it? It will provably give you peace of mind. Biside if you ever wan't tu upgrade (powerwise ) it give you slightly more options. An don't forget the primo is an Hibride so you will get best of bothe worlds.

If I would ever upgrade on the amp side this would be my choice, but this will provably not happen in the next 10 or 20 years.

Or I win on the lotery of course.

The only point that would make me doubt is that bothe of my dealers told me I might lose a bit of magic the AMS 35I can deliver.

 Any all this to tell you I'm almost jalous Wink

An of course wish you good luck

I hope you keep us posted

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Hey Cno I don't doubt your calculations

But wasn't the AMS tested i an Austrailian mgazine pulling of more than 400w of the wall?

They even said it where the only numbers MF where a bit shy about rolling on the floor laughing

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