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I had the pleasure to listen to this amp when i went to audition a DAC. I must say the sound was very pleasing to the ear. I heard them through some spendor speakers which cousred around 6grand. Evn at low volume a could hear a lot of detail. This amp is full on enveloping sound.

If i have the money now I will buy one like yesterday. Excellent stuff. I have sonus faber Cremona's floor standers not sure if may be too smooth for them. Then it may be time to safe up.

Cheers NB.

If you hear it with some SFs, do report in....I know Acalex felt it wasn't a perfect match, but I feel it should work, in the right circumstances.

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Opps!! I think I actually had i listen to the M65500i. But do like the sound of Musical Fidelity. Dn't know why I have yet to own one.

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I can't speak highly enough in favour of this amazing amp...I feel I belong to this group even if I bought another one in the end!!! If I were alone (not having my gf's taste to take into account) I would have bought an AMS for sure... It is a great choice for somebody who wants the warm and emotional sound of a valve amplifier without having to worry about changing valves every now and then. If anybody has this kind of budget it is a must listen amp...

An acquaintance bought this marvel for use with his Tannoy Arden loudspeakers, not the kindest of transducers and not renowned for their subtlety either!

I have heard these efficient beasts with Amcron DC300 amplifiers, Radford HD250 and 500s as well as a few AV amplifiers.  They have virtues, but with the MF they had a reprieve we just could not believe!

With their efficiency of >92/94 92db 1w 1mtr the MF db levels were not lacking, the dynamic contrast as well as range was huge.

The shocking thing was the apparent calming of the metal cone tweeter; no information was lost whatsoever but the entire presentation took on a lucid structured image between the loudspeakers, voices, massed strings, the whole spectrum just suddenly gelled.  I do not often wax lyrical like this but we sat up with many black and silver discs till well past midnight, it was a journey of re-discovery.

Maybe the single malt helped but I seldom walk home euphoric after a session of recorded music like this.

A veritable bargain sadly well out of my reach for now!

 

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An acquaintance bought this marvel for use with his Tannoy Arden loudspeakers, not the kindest of transducers and not renowned for their subtlety either!

I have heard these efficient beasts with Amcron DC300 amplifiers, Radford HD250 and 500s as well as a few AV amplifiers.  They have virtues, but with the MF they had a reprieve we just could not believe!

With their efficiency of >92/94 92db 1w 1mtr the MF db levels were not lacking, the dynamic contrast as well as range was huge.

The shocking thing was the apparent calming of the metal cone tweeter; no information was lost whatsoever but the entire presentation took on a lucid structured image between the loudspeakers, voices, massed strings, the whole spectrum just suddenly gelled.  I do not often wax lyrical like this but we sat up with many black and silver discs till well past midnight, it was a journey of re-discovery.

Maybe the single malt helped but I seldom walk home euphoric after a session of recorded music like this.

A veritable bargain sadly well out of my reach for now!

You have described exactly what I've found regarding speaker matching. I've yet to hear a speaker that doesn't sound good on the end of it....even ones that I found too forward on the end of other SS amps.

What you say about the way it presents music also rings true with me...exciting, detailed and natural - it just sounds "right".

Thank you for your thoughts

Cno

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Hey Cno,

hope that you are well mate.

Just thought that I would provide you with an update of developments with my problematic AMS.

For those who haven't read about my ongoing issues please check here:

for stage 1: http://www.whathifi.com/forum/hi-fi/musical-fidelity-m6i-or-naim-nait-xs-to-drive-my-bw-683?page=17

& here for stage 2: http://www.whathifi.com/forum/hi-fi/new-linn-majikds-or-second-hand-akurate-ds?page=5#comment-2757940

Quick summary, I bought a new AMS35i in late May this year. After using it for around a month the right channel output stage failed & fried a speaker. About 6 weeks waiting for repairs to be carried out (all at dealer/distributor expense). Came back & less than two weeks later the left channel went & fried another speaker. Not happy! So the dealer has had both the amp & speakers for over a month now, one of their techs has looked at the amp & has confirmed that it was the same failure as previously. Apparently the solder in this particular unit had not been applied correctly. Hmmmmmm puzzled

In some regards this is not entirely a bad thing. Given that failures of this nature are so rare, the second incident had left some question as to whether the cause lay with the rest of my system & not the amp itself. So while I do feel particularly unlucky to have landed a dud unit, at least I now know with certainty where the problem lies.

Once the dealer had confirmed what the problem was he presented me with two options:

1) To wait for repairs & take back the same unit

2) To take his demo unit instead

I took a few days to think about it but rang him back & took a strong stance demanding a complete replacement unit. He tried to steer me away from this saying that it would take at least 2-3 months to source a new one, but I stayed firm & by the end of the conversation he had agreed to my request. I knew that he understood my reservations about taking the same unit back given it's obvious history of malfunction. He said that they would be able to loan me their demo while I was waiting for the new one to arrive. So all seemed to be settled satisfactorily.

Three weeks later I still hadn't heard anything so rang today to ask for an update. He now tells me that MF has discontinued the AMS35i & they are unable to source a new one for me!!! Sigh. I pretty much lifted the anger level a couple of notches & indicated that this was far from satisfactory. I have owned the amp for 4 months now & been able to use it for less than half of that. I told him that I would be contacting MF directly to discuss the matter. He "understood" my frustration (which was nice!) & told me he would look into the matter & get back to me shortly.

About two hours later I get another call saying that the distributor had confirmed that the ASM35i was definitely no longer being made & that they could not source one from overseas. However they were able to come up with a concilliatory offer. For an extra $2400 Australian they would sell me a brand new Primo pre-amp & an AMS35P power amp. Full retail on this package would be $27k which I would get for $11,400, less than half price, not bad.

To be honest even though this is a very tempting I would really just prefer to get a new 35i. All of my funds are being directed towards my new Linn Akkurate DS at the moment. But the offer is certainly worthy of consideration.

I could be accused of being a little paranoid (who could blame me?) but I can't help but feel that the dealer/distributor are not quite presenting me with the complete picture. Judging by the MF website the AMS35P has been discontinued, so I think that they are trying to get out of the predicament by giving me existing stock rather than having to purchase new. I guess the only way to 100% confirm this is to contact MF directly.

What do you think? Have you heard about the 35i being discontinued? I wonder if it is worth finding out if it is going to be replaced & if so how long this will take. Maybe a new replacement will have HT bypass?

The Primo is a pretty sweet piece of kit, maybe it's worth going there just because the offer is so good. It will provide greater flexibility in the future if I wanted to change amps (not that I think I would). Just from a resale point of view it should more than cover itself. Maybe there is a silver lining at the end of this after all.

 

 

 

 

 

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I recently auditioned this amp when contemplating going to Class A amplification. The other candidate (priced similarly) was the Accuphase E-560, which is a 30W Class A amp.

 It was a close call but I went for the Accuphase, partly because it looks nicer but mainly because it has 2 balanced inputs versus the AMS 35i's one.

But I have to say the MF is a seriously impressive beast. Congrats to all owners - it is surely a fantastic-sounding amp that should give years of pleasure!

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It is the first I have heard of this Neuphonix. I can't see anything about the AMS line being discontinued on the MF website, so I would definitely contact MF directly to confirm. 

 

Having said this, MF have a reputation for changing product lines every five minutes, and unfortunately as often as not replacing great products with products a little more average, so who knows what could be coming next. 

 

Keep us updated. BTW if I had the money I would take the offer of the pre/power as apparently the primo is pretty special

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I don't own this amp but after reading roby's thread and also el hefe saying it's perfect for rock music I want to audition the m6i and AMS.. I was thinking of gettin the m6 pre to try with my current set up also...

 

As i'm sure a lot of potetial future owners would like to know, what kind of power consumtion are we talking here? How much does it add to your monthly electric bill? and the main one i want to know, how long does it take to warm up fully?

 

Cheers mate.

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Hi Greg,

I just got off the phone to the friendly people at MF, and a have a little more clarity.

The AMS35i is not discontinued as such. They currently have no stock & have to place minimum orders of 50 units before production begins. Given the current economic climate this number represents around 10years of stock & as such they have no immediate plans to proceed.

They have managed to get their hands on one last unit which they will swap for my faulty one. I just have to convince the dealer/distributor over here to wear the shipping/import costs.

But yes, the more I think about it, the more appealing the pre/power deal sounds.

But for all those who already own the 35i it sounds like we might have a collectors item! You would have to wonder if they will ever be produced again?

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I bought the M6-500i first & then took it back after about a week and upgraded to the AMS as it sounded much warmer & silkier.The M6 had a massive powerful sound, but was more clinical. The HT bypass function on the M6 was appealing, but in the end the superior sound of the A class won out.

Pretty sure it draws around 300w so it is a greedy beast. Takes around 1hour to properly warm up, should I say become red hot! Given all the dramas I've had with it I'm not in a position to comment on the electricity bill. Obviously it would depend on your usage, but shouldn't be too hard to work out if you know what your kw/hour cost is.

You do have to remember that it will be offset by the reduction in heating needs during the winter!

As per my previous post, if you want one & can find a dealer with one in stock you should get it now as it doesn't sound like there will be too many around for a while.

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Ok thanks.. I'm sure the electric bill wouldn't break the bank and like you say saves on heating Wink I think i will demo or home demo the m6i and see if i like the 'house sound' first as a local dealer stocks them.. I could swap that and technically make money as i got my Cyrus @ trade  excellent! Maybe the AMS or another class A should be something to look forward too in years to come (i'm only 27).. Or maybe my mate who has one will let me hear his and i'll be sold and won't want to look back.. Who knows..

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Neuphonix wrote:

Hi Greg,

I just got off the phone to the friendly people at MF, and a have a little more clarity.

The AMS35i is not discontinued as such. They currently have no stock & have to place minimum orders of 50 units before production begins. Given the current economic climate this number represents around 10years of stock & as such they have no immediate plans to proceed.

They have managed to get their hands on one last unit which they will swap for my faulty one. I just have to convince the dealer/distributor over here to wear the shipping/import costs.

But yes, the more I think about it, the more appealing the pre/power deal sounds.

But for all those who already own the 35i it sounds like we might have a collectors item! You would have to wonder if they will ever be produced again?

 

While I do not doubt the ligitimacy of what you say, I cant help but think that there must be more to it than that. If what you were told is the case, then surely it would be cheaper for them to have the next 50 AMS35i made, than create a whole new amp from the ground up (ie design cost PLUS the build costs). If the reason given is true, then are MF never going to have another high end amp available instead of the AMS range?

 

Give their previous history of changing models and line ups every five minutes, launching new product lines more often than most manufacturers update exising lines, I am suspicious.

 

Either way, its not good news tho is it for those of us Cno's (not so) subliminal marketting efforts were finally working on. Im moving soon and was considering demoing the AMS for my stereo system as the room is going to be so much bigger. Bang goes that idea  banging head against wall

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Hey Cno,

hope that you are well mate.

Just thought that I would provide you with an update of developments with my problematic AMS.

Apparently the solder in this particular unit had not been applied correctly. Hmmmmmm puzzled

In some regards this is not entirely a bad thing. Given that failures of this nature are so rare, the second incident had left some question as to whether the cause lay with the rest of my system & not the amp itself. So while I do feel particularly unlucky to have landed a dud unit, at least I now know with certainty where the problem lies.

Once the dealer had confirmed what the problem was he presented me with two options:

1) To wait for repairs & take back the same unit

2) To take his demo unit instead

Three weeks later I still hadn't heard anything so rang today to ask for an update. He now tells me that MF has discontinued the AMS35i & they are unable to source a new one for me!!! Sigh. I pretty much lifted the anger level a couple of notches & indicated that this was far from satisfactory. 

About two hours later I get another call saying that the distributor had confirmed that the ASM35i was definitely no longer being made & that they could not source one from overseas. However they were able to come up with a concilliatory offer. For an extra $2400 Australian they would sell me a brand new Primo pre-amp & an AMS35P power amp. Full retail on this package would be $27k which I would get for $11,400, less than half price, not bad.

To be honest even though this is a very tempting I would really just prefer to get a new 35i. All of my funds are being directed towards my new Linn Akkurate DS at the moment. But the offer is certainly worthy of consideration.

. Judging by the MF website the AMS35P has been discontinued, so I think that they are trying to get out of the predicament by giving me existing stock rather than having to purchase new.

What do you think? Have you heard about the 35i being discontinued? I wonder if it is worth finding out if it is going to be replaced & if so how long this will take. Maybe a new replacement will have HT bypass?

The Primo is a pretty sweet piece of kit, maybe it's worth going there just because the offer is so good. It will provide greater flexibility in the future if I wanted to change amps (not that I think I would). Just from a resale point of view it should more than cover itself. Maybe there is a silver lining at the end of this after all.

Hi there, it's good to hear back from you.

I rang my dealer today and checked some stuff out, so in case it helps here is what I found out along with my thoughts:

As you have rightly gathered, the 35i has not been discontinued, though I wouldn't be surprised if the 35P was, as I don't think they sold very many.

There is a very good case that can be made for taking them up on their offer of Primo + 35P.

1. Due to the extra gain on the pre-amp, and the 35p having 3 times the current delivery of the 35i, the system should be around twice as powerful.

2. The Diablos are a very demanding load (even more so than the Floorstanders), so the 35P's extra current would drive them even better/safer.

3. The Primo is a stunning Pre, so along with the 35P, there should be a good step up in sound quality (maybe even twice as good!) ie. in control, dynamics and detail.

4. You wouldn't need an HT bypass, as you could connect direct into power amp.

5. I would rather have a Majik DS on the end of the Primo/35P than an Akurate on the end of a 35i.

6. You might be less paranoid if you moved away from the 35i, though you should be OK this time.

So to sum up, if it was me, I know if I turned down that deal, it would eat away at me....so that, combined with the fact that the Diablos would lap up the extra current on offer, I would go for it.

Before committing, can you do a home demo to make sure the gains that I say are there, actually are!

The only down side is you are buying a power amp that might be hard to shift on at a later date, without taking a big hit.

Keep us abreast of how this all plays out

Cno

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BigColz wrote:

I don't own this amp but after reading roby's thread and also el hefe saying it's perfect for rock music I want to audition the m6i and AMS.. I was thinking of gettin the m6 pre to try with my current set up also...

As i'm sure a lot of potetial future owners would like to know, what kind of power consumtion are we talking here? How much does it add to your monthly electric bill? and the main one i want to know, how long does it take to warm up fully?

Cheers mate.

If you demo the 35i, I would be very surprised if you would be happy with any of the M series.

Where power consumption is concerned, I worked out that it would cost £140,  if the amp was on 6 hrs per day for 365 days.

The amp sounds good from cold and takes around 45 mins to warm up, but you can get other owners to confirm.

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gregvet wrote:

Either way, its not good news tho is it for those of us Cno's (not so) subliminal marketting efforts were finally working on. Im moving soon and was considering demoing the AMS for my stereo system as the room is going to be so much bigger. Bang goes that idea  banging head against wall

Don't be so defeatist...there are probably still a few kicking about in this country. There really is little better under £10k, especially with Majik DS and Kef Refs (not so subtle subliminal marketing!) shifty .......GO LOOK! Evil

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