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Hi Alex,

sorry to hear things didn't go so well. I shake my head with the levels of service that some shops offer at times. You'd think that in this climate they'd cotton onto the fact that it is often service alone that's going to swing them the deal. They must be going really well?

When I demoed my Akurate I was able to have it side by side with the Majik for quick swap over. Both were running through a Burmeister integrated amp with ELAC spreakers.

I also was able to play my own music. Had selected a number of tunes that I was familar with in varying formats. This was vital.

Looking back on it it may have been the fact that the Akurate was hooked up with balanced connections which was a large part of the difference? The Majik was warm, but seemed flat in comparison. When I first installed my Akurate at home it was via RCA. Then last week changed to balanced interconnects & there was a similar change, suddenly the Akurate sprang to life.

I would agree with Cno that the deal on the Majik seems like a winner though. Especially if you move the Wadia on to offset the cost. I couldn't see you being worse off.

But really, I would demand that the Linn shop offer you a home demo on the Akurate. You are looking at a significant purchase, I would say that if you push hard enough they will come to the party. If you can eventually afford the extra I'd be surprised if you didn't think it was worth it.

Again though a fair step up in price & given the atractive price on the Majik, hmmm, dilema! Value for money or SQ? Given your track record I'll be willing to double or nothing on the mussels & ales  beauty, eh

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BTW this guy is selling his Klimax DS0:

http://forums.linn.co.uk/bb/showthread.php?tid=19707

And also on here there are a number of second hand Akurate & Klimaxes going:

http://www.audio-markt.de/_markt/

Just in case you're interested!!! >)

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Neuphonix wrote:

When I demoed my Akurate I was able to have it side by side with the Majik for quick swap over. Both were running through a Burmeister integrated amp with ELAC spreakers.

Nice.....now that was a demo!

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It was fun. Although it didn't last too long once I had listened to the Akurate.

Their service was great, made me feel a little bad that I hadn't spoken to them during my amp/speaker buying process.

I didn't even talk to them about the Burmeister amp! Sounded great & given what I was going through at the time with the AMS it would have been an interesting conversation. NO MORE MONEY!!!

 

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On the website you gave me there is also a Klimax DS Renew at 5k eur Smile

The problem is that I don't feel like now spending the money for an Akurate...it's not a problem of having funds available as those are available...is the fact of having to buy blind basically which I don't like. Plus the idea of spending more than 2k euro on a digital source still does not convince me...maybe once I will have heard the Linn in a proper systems I will change my mind...but still a brand new price looks really expensive for a digital source considering how much you can get already by the Squeezebox Touch at 150 euro  banging head against wall

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...but still a brand new price looks really expensive for a digital source considering how much you can get already by the Squeezebox Touch at 150 euro  banging head against wall

You are right to worry about buying blind, but digital sources (usually) noticeably improve as they get more expensive....and the Linn range, with which I'm more familiar, certainly do. It's a bit like saying that the MF M3i sounds so good at £1k, so how could the 35i be good enough to justify £6k.

Through a revealing system, it's quite amazing what detail a good digital source can dig up....there is more info on a CD than one realizes, and though not quite as dramatic as the difference a TT/Phono stage can make, it's still fairly dramatic....and usually takes good speakers (and amp) to show just to what extent.....as Neuphonix has clearly discovered. If (When!) you get the MDS, you need to try and hear it with Jadis + SFG, to get a proper assessment. IMO It beats most CDPs up to 3x its cost.

The old Akurate (ADS) was better than the MDS, but the ADS/1 was a good step up again. The same goes for the Klimax, where the old version (and Renew) is much better than the ADS/1; but the KDS/1 is, yet again, another step up and (imo) one of the best sources available.

The KDS/1 is the most natural and analogue sounding of the lot (hardly surprising)....CD quality on it, sounds as good as 24 bit on the MDS.

 

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Just lined up two more demoes, this time I was clear on the phone I want to hear the difference between Majik DS and Akurate DS using a system which has nothing to do with Linn. 

One is this afternoon, the second tomorrow afternoon! Good luck to me  beauty, eh

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acalex wrote:

Just lined up two more demoes, this time I was clear on the phone I want to hear the difference between Majik DS and Akurate DS using a system which has nothing to do with Linn. 

One is this afternoon, the second tomorrow afternoon! Good luck to me  beauty, eh

Look forward to your findings

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I am back  cheer

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You are waiting eh? What do you think?  twisted

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You are waiting eh? What do you think?  twisted

What system did you hear it with, and did you hear MDS vs ADS/1.

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Good luck to you indeed! Smile

Are you allowed to take your own music along? If so try to take a few different formats.

So what happens if you DO like the Akurate that much more? Swap one dilema for another knowing about that second hand Klimax renew?! Wink

Look forward to hearing how things go. You taking Roby along this time?

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Well, had one of the best demo of my life. Worth the 25km drive...

First of all I discovered another small shop with a very kind and passionate owner. He also keeps his own blog and very active in organising events and demo of passive/active systems. Enjoyed a lot the first tour of the shop he gave me with all the different rooms set-up for a different purposes. Very rational and well studied...couldn't do better myself Smile

Then I discovered two different brands which wasn't aware before...Neodio and Leedh. Both French manufacturers. The Leedh I have tried are probably the best sounding speakers I have heard so far...completely different technology but very smart and innovative. The result is incredible for such small, lighweight speakers. No fussy about posinioning or type of floor...

The first system (full Majik ampli and speakers) we used was not able to identify properly the differences between Majik and Akurate. The owner itself was aware that it wasn't at all evident. It is at this moment that we decided to switch room and sit where we stayed until the end and where I heard the Leedh E (price tag of 12k euro) driven by an excellent Neodio integrated amplifier. As a source we had Majik, Akurate and Klimax DS

The sound of Majik was sooooo different from what I have heard Tuesday night. Amazing bass, a lot of space, a great presence and amazing dynamics. I was shocked by the result...it is really a great source. We tried also some classic and it was shocking for me to hear these dynamics and level of details. Then on the classic piece we switched source to plug the Akurate.

After the first 20 seconds only we heard so much more...we could feel the room, the breath of the performer, the sound of his lips before starting...it was a pleasure. It looks like the volume is higher but indeed is not, it is only richer and more present, more 3d and natural. I couldn't stop listening, Nils Lofgren, Lou Reed, Oscar Peterson trio, Rodrigo Y Gabriela, etc...

Then he told me to demo the difference between the normal CD quality and a studio master (24/96) on the Akurate, Nevermind. It was just like switching again from the Majik to the Akurate. Everything got richer, smoother, more detailed, more dynamic....couldn't believe my ears. I had to try another piece to make sure it wasn't that cd which was particularly bad...and again this time was even more evident the difference...frankly speaking I will start buying Studio Master now  party time!

So the result? I enjoyed it a lot and I will make a purchase....  read this

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Forgot to mention I also plugged the Klimax in the end.....  banging head against wall  banging head against wall

Roby wasn't with me this time but we will come back for sure as it was a real pleasure he needs to try also Smile

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hehehehe looks like the ales are on you! beauty, eh