you never answered my question about vinyl ripping. Do you or Roby have a way to be able to do this?
If so have you been able to hear any difference to a digital file?
Ups sorry, I think I missed this! Not unfortunately we do not have anything to ryp vinyls...
Thanks for the detailed reply. Yeah, I think I need to get the wired option sorted, the transmission over the wireless network (twice) may be having an impact, who knows.
Lets not start a cable debate - though my Cat6 cable is black, which definitely sounds better than grey!
in terms of uPnP, that's more of a matter of getting the uPnP server server to work on my media server - should be fairly straight forward. That will allow a wired connection, versus the wireless connection I am using currently.
Files types are all FLAC, once I sort out the uPnP thing I will get some hi-res tracks from HDTracks or similar. Again, not wishing to start a HiRes versus red book debate, I definitely hear an improvement on some hi-res tracks (via SACD), whether that is as a result of mastering or higher bit rate I don't know. Having recently heard a non-released BBC test disc on CD, I have heard what the very best mastering can achieve on a red book CD, so I'm inclined to fall on the latter side.
Kinksy is clunky for sure, though having said that, ifnI could simply browse by artist I would be happy with it! But yes, Sonos is slick, it always has been since I first bought a ZP100 6 years ago. I will definitely try the other interface a go, I have read about Lumin, so that's definitely one to try!
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Would be intersting to know if you can capture the "vinyl" sound?
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I've had my Akurate for about three months now & have just been using Kinsky/Twonky. Works OK.
Initially I was really particular with what files I put on my NAS, tried to do things slowly & methodically. But then I dumped a massive amount on there & it has stuggled a bit since.
I use the artist/album search quite a lot because it keeps the albums separate & in track order. If you just look by artist you get a list of files in alphabetical order. Would be great if you could browse by file, but again it changes everything from track order to alphabetical order.
Twonky can be pretty painful, I think that's why may people are migrating over to Minimserv. The guy who wrote it is a Linn member & he listens to owners thoughts & suggestions for improvements.
So the next few months for me are going to be playing around with which server/interface combo works best. Also figuring out track tagging/meta data editing to try & organise things better & continue ripping my collection.
My system is as per my sig below, but to clarify I have a Primare SP32 (this is temporary, on loan until my new audio processor arrives) connected to some bespoke 1000 watt monoblcs, powering a pair of PMC MB2i's. Now I appreciate this is leaning slightly more towards home cinema than pure hifi, but I like to think it is of a high enough resolution to be able to subjectively review the audible impact of any upstream components.
My reference point for streaming is a Sonos ZP90 connected via digital coax to the SP32, and hard wired to the router (if that makes any difference).
So . . . I hooked the Renew up last night, via the balanced outputs, for a quick play about with it and I have to say . . . I'm a little disappointed. Now before I get shot full of holes, disappointed is perhaps the wrong word to use, probably a better way of putting it is I became incredibly impressed by just how good the Sonos option is.
I wouldn't panic yet......and I certainly would never "shoot anyone full of holes", for their opinion.
There is something a little strange going on. I found my MDS made the Sonos sound broken, and the KDS made my MDS sound very ordinary, which IMO. it isn't.
I have only heard the DS hardwired, from a UPnP NAS, so can't comment on anything else......which version of Davaar is it running on?
I take it all your music is in a lossless format (WAV / FLAC?)
Allow it to settle into your final system (and wired as recommended), before making a conclusive evaluation (which I know is your intention). Once you have lived with it for a while, I will be staggered if you haven't changed your mind. Sometimes going back to what you had, after getting acclimatized to what you have, can show up the differences better.
If after all this has been done and you are still disappointed, I can only apologize if I have mislead you in any way....but at least you should have no trouble selling it on, which would I hope, be a very last resort.
I think joining the Linn Forum is a good idea, as it is a mine of info.
You might also ring the dealer you bought it from, to get his input.
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No, don't worry, there's no buyer remorse here, and you have in no way misled me, my desire to buy and try a Linn streamer was based on a fair bit of research.
The unit is running on Davaar 9 (4.9.7), internal volume is switched off also.
I also have no intention of selling it so soon either, I believe in living with kit for some time before making a decision and in any case there is an improvement over the Sonos, even if it only slight at the moment.
I need to get it hard wired to start with, and then review again.
You are kind to say so.
Two things I found made a difference.....Linn Silver I/C and Black Ravioli. If interested, they need to be borrowed, as you don't want to spend any more money until you are sure it's going to work out....but it's always worth experimenting.
Without wanting to stirr up more argument.....what i/c and s/c are you using?
If of any interest I am planning to try Black Ravioli and also Acoustic System top line feet - clicky
I will report back if any improvement is significant enough to take the plunge
That will be great.
Be sure you try both the original BR Pads and Bigfeet, as they sounded quite different in my set up.
Tell me, have you tried a different power cable on the DS and what effect did it have.
Yes, I told the shop they should send also the Bigfeet as I would like to try them under the amp also (where I might put a triple at the back where the weight is and two singles or doubles in the front).
I am also very curios to try these feet made of wood as Francis told me that if I borrow them I won't be giving them back
For now I am using a 50 eur power cord the guy was using in the shop also. I might try to switch to the Siltech which I have in demo still...and report back.
It will be a good challange, as the BR is also good at what it does, and is cheaper.
Make sure you try it's standard lead, as I never managed to get much difference.
When will you have these isolation devices?
Sorry to butt in but a simple and cheap way to rip vinyl is with an old CDR player .
I have an old Philips CDR 760 and the A/D converter inside is pretty good , I burn a Cd of the piece of vinyl from my Linn to a CDR disc and then the CDR can be ripped in any way you please and you have a top quality hard copy backup .
I have done a simple blind test and the original vinyl played on my Linn sounds absolutely identical to the CDR copy played on my Electrocompaniet EMC1 UP .
Good second hand CDR recorders can be bought very cheaply now but you will have to buy " music CDR's " online and they are getting harder to find .
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Black Ravoili? I'm not a big fan of pasta! More seriously (also without wishing to start a cable debate) I have decent quality silver XLR cables, so I wouldn't expect a cable change to make a masive difference. The unit on its own, hard wired as Linn stipulate in the manual, should produce the largest audible difference over the Sonos irrespective of cabling. Cable changes are just going to be incremental tweaks at best.
That said, are you guys connecting your DS's to your system using the XLR's or the RCA's? Not sure if that would make a difference?
Linn Silver I/Cs are copper (confusingly), and work well with Linn components, which is why I mentioned it.
My MDS doesn't have XLR, so it's RCA for me.
I know on certain all Linn systems, the RCA can sound better, but it will depend on whether the amp is fully balanced or not. Balanced "should" sound better, but sometimes people prefer the sound from RCA.
IME The effect of cabling can go from subtle / negligible, to considerable, but is something to look at when everything else is in place. FWIW. I have yet to hear solid silver or silver coated cables that I like.....again it's personal. My advice is to remain sceptical but try some good cables at different prices and see what you think (eg. Atlas, TQ, Vertere, Cardas, Siltech, MIT etc). TQ is the one causing the stir atm, and I expect to see Vertere following in their footsteps.
It could be worth following the cable adventures of Alex and Rob, as they are trying out, and reporting on the effect that most of these cables have for them....as well as isolation devices, like BR!
I use RCA on my Akurate as my amp does not have XLR. When swapping from Siltech 550i (700 eur) to Linn Black (80 eur) I found the difference quite meaningful...and I preferred the Black! So you should stick with the Linn cables (silver for better performances) as they can make quite a difference. It actually saved me quite some money!
First think you should do is to hard-wire everything...than trying some Linn cables. It is not possible a Kilmax Renew won't sound MUCH better than a Sonos. As I told you I tried the Sonos with a 1100 euro DAC and still prefer by far the Akurate...
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