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I would like to gather the thoughts and experiences of all the DS owners on here, whether a Sneaky or a Klimax owner. As we stand, I think there are a couple of Sneakys, a Majik DSM or two, the odd Majik DS, a potential Akurate DS owner, but no Klimax DSsss. IMO The CDP (not CDs) is on the way out and streaming is becoming much more relevant. IMO. Linn is a must audition if you're thinking of dipping a toe in the "stream", and in the market to spend £850 upwards. I want to hear the experience of anyone who has compared them to the direct competition eg. Naim, Cyrus and Olive etc; as well as a Transport plus Dac at similar money. I am also interested in hearing if you have compared different models of DSsss and if you think they are worth the fairly hefty premium to the next one up....where's the sweet spot in the range? If you went for a DSM, which other amps did it fend off to make it into your system? If you bought something else, what was it, and why did you prefer it?

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RE: The Linn DS / DSM thread

Your enthusiasm for Linn stream is infectious enough to make me consider a Linn streamer if any came with a tuner - they don't so when it comes to upgrading which I'll be doing soon, Naim is the only game in town for me. Persuade me otherwise.

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Your enthusiasm for Linn stream is infectious enough to make me consider a Linn streamer if any came with a tuner - they don't so when it comes to upgrading which I'll be doing soon, Naim is the only game in town for me. Persuade me otherwise.

Thank you Sir, I do my best.

The DS can stream most stations, but the quality of some stations may not be adequate for you....but Linn's own 3 stations show what can be achieved.

You should give one a go and you might be pleasantly surprised.....I'm not trying to persuade people to buy, but to try.

beauty, eh

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Hi Cno,

From a previous post, you may remember that I moved from a squeezebox touch + dac to a Linn Majik DSM. Didn't intend to. Actually went shopping for a new integrated amp and had my sights set on a Naim XS.

Got to hear a Rega brio as well as a Naim Unitiqute but it was the Linn which got my attention. Just so much more musical than the Naim in my opinion (as well as that of my better half). The Naim was good but not as engaging. The shop owner who was doing the demo said the difference was like the players were really enjoying their playing rather than just 'doing the business'. He preferred Linn although the shop carried as much Naim gear.

As to Linn amps, I'm not convinced at present. After a short time back home with the new DSM, I hooked up my old Roksan Kandy Liii power amp to the pre out sockets of the Linn. Thought it might be an interesting listen before selling it on. It's still connected! The Linn musicality remained but with more balls and bass control. It might be due to the Neat Motive 2s requiring more beef but the power amp section of the DSM may be its weakest link. Don't know. Any thoughts would be appreciated.

Finally, not compared majik with akurate or klimax so can't comment. I do consider the linn majik to be a step up from a squeezebox touch + linear power + audio gd nfb2 dac (similar price point to Sneaky).

Pedro

 

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Hi Cno, Im considering the akurate ds as a source.Does it have to be connected(wired)to my router?Im really torn between the ds and endorphin cdp puzzled

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Hi Cno,

From a previous post, you may remember that I moved from a squeezebox touch + dac to a Linn Majik DSM. Didn't intend to. Actually went shopping for a new integrated amp and had my sights set on a Naim XS.

Got to hear a Rega brio as well as a Naim Unitiqute but it was the Linn which got my attention. Just so much more musical than the Naim in my opinion (as well as that of my better half). The Naim was good but not as engaging. The shop owner who was doing the demo said the difference was like the players were really enjoying their playing rather than just 'doing the business'. He preferred Linn although the shop carried as much Naim gear.

As to Linn amps, I'm not convinced at present. After a short time back home with the new DSM, I hooked up my old Roksan Kandy Liii power amp to the pre out sockets of the Linn. Thought it might be an interesting listen before selling it on. It's still connected! The Linn musicality remained but with more balls and bass control. It might be due to the Neat Motive 2s requiring more beef but the power amp section of the DSM may be its weakest link. Don't know. Any thoughts would be appreciated.

Finally, not compared majik with akurate or klimax so can't comment. I do consider the linn majik to be a step up from a squeezebox touch + linear power + audio gd nfb2 dac (similar price point to Sneaky).

Pedro

Hi Pedro, it's great to get your input.

I agree with your assessment of the Linn vs Naim sound....and though I think the DS is something special, their amps leave me cold and uninvolved with the music....though this is immensely personal. This is no surprise to anyone who reads my twaddle, and why I always recommend listening to the DS through one's own amp.

Hearing the improvements you get by moving up the range is very hazardous to the wallet, especially in the context of a system that can maximize this benefit.

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Hi Cno, Im considering the akurate ds as a source.Does it have to be connected(wired)to my router?Im really torn between the ds and endorphin cdp puzzled

I only know what I do....which is hard wired to a NAS....in my case a RipNas.

I wouldn't be a bit surprised if the Akurate DS/1 was better, but I haven't heard the Endorphin....it would worry me that spending so much money on yesterday's tech is not the way to go. If you want the Pathos sound, imo you would be better going with a Musiteca.

What ever you do, don't spend any money without hearing it first!

 

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I have a Majik DS which has replaced my Sonos system as my main music source in my main system. I still use sonos in the kitchen and bedroom.

I have compared it to the sonos (obviously), plus Naim and Olive solutions. The Majik is the best that I have heard, in terms of the balance of detial, PRAT, and musicality. I want to hear what the Accurate etc can do, but am scared my wallet will suffer, hence my refusing to demo them  Smile

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iceman16 wrote:

Hi Cno, Im considering the akurate ds as a source.Does it have to be connected(wired)to my router?Im really torn between the ds and endorphin cdp puzzled

I only know what I do....which is hard wired to a NAS....in my case a RipNas.

I wouldn't be a bit surprised if the Akurate DS/1 was better, but I haven't heard the Endorphin....it would worry me that spending so much money on yesterday's tech is not the way to go. If you want the Pathos sound, imo you would be better going with a Musiteca.

What ever you do, don't spend any money without hearing it first!

 

Cno,

I'm a little uncomfortable at your insistance that CD as a media is on the way out.  Remember, the same was said about vynal!

Personally, I think there's room in the market for all types of music replay.

Cheers

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Hi Macspur,

I think that cno was referring to cd players rather than cds as media. I tend to agree that the cdp days are numbered as mass market technology. mp3 is already replacing them for most (non audiophile) listeners and streaming of lossless files is getting better for the hi fi enthusiast. The Linn ds machines are knock out and you would be hard pressed to match them with a cdp that doesn't cost a king's ransom! Many could argue that a Linn DS does cost a king's ransom of course!

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Cno,

I'm a little uncomfortable at your insistance that CD as a media is on the way out.  Remember, the same was said about vynal!

Personally, I think there's room in the market for all types of music replay.

Cheers

Mac

Hi Mac,

I don't make this comment lightly or flippantly, so let me try and explain my thinking behind it.

- First of all I'm not saying that there isn't room in the current market for CDPs, as there will (for a while) be people (generally older), who feel more comfortable with what they know.

- Personally, I have never seen the CD as a replacement for Vinyl, but more as a more convenient and often less musical sounding alternative. Now I know this view is challenged, but imo CD and Vinyl are very different formats with a different sound, and different emotional ownership attachments.

- The biggest argument in favour of Streaming (with a decent Streamer) is that it:
a) IMO. Sounds substantially better than the equivalently priced CDP ie. better VFM
b) Is far more flexible with regards what it can do and the resolutions it can handle
c) Has much more convenient storage, access and control over how/where you listen to your music
d) The absence of moving parts / lasers etc means there is much less to go wrong.

- The OP is looking at a £6k CDP, so I feel that his money could possibly be better spent on a Streaming solution, as I have personally heard how a medium priced streamer (eg.Majik) has shown a clean pair of heels to some very expensive CDPs (eg.Mark Levinson).

- I see "Streamer vs CDP" in the same way as I saw "DVD vs Blu-Ray" or 1080i vs 1080p....in other words, taking an existing digital format and substantially improving it; except in the case of streaming, it has also removed the disadvantages of a physical format.

- I was/am an old "dyed-in-the-wool" audiophile, who would be making all the same points that you are, if some time ago, I hadn't been invited by my local Linn dealer to hear what this amazing new-fangled Linn DS could do. It was described by them as a "game changer", and they were not wrong. What I heard made such a impression on me, that it was enough to overcome my technophobic tendencies...as a growing band have also discovered.

- As the new computer savvy generation come forward (eg. my kids), they won't be held back by the old ways and prejudices, and will embrace all the new advances (already happening with the amount of Streamers that are starting to appear on here, compared to even a year ago)....and it's this likely obsolescence within the next few years, that was one of the reasons that made me question the wisdom of such an expensive CDP.

I hope this has made my reasoning a little clearer, and feel totally free to completely disagree with it.

beauty, eh

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Pedro2 wrote:

Hi Macspur,

I think that cno was referring to cd players rather than cds as media. I tend to agree that the cdp days are numbered as mass market technology. mp3 is already replacing them for most (non audiophile) listeners and streaming of lossless files is getting better for the hi fi enthusiast. The Linn ds machines are knock out and you would be hard pressed to match them with a cdp that doesn't cost a king's ransom! Many could argue that a Linn DS does cost a king's ransom of course!

Pedro

Cno was definitely referring to CDPs rather than CDs. Smile

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Cno,

I'm a little uncomfortable at your insistance that CD as a media is on the way out.  Remember, the same was said about vynal!

Personally, I think there's room in the market for all types of music replay.

Cheers

Mac

Hi Mac, I don't make this comment lightly or flippantly, so let me try and explain my thinking behind it. - First of all I'm not saying that there isn't room in the current market for CDPs, as there will (for a while) be people (generally older), who feel more comfortable with what they know. - Personally, I have never seen the CD as a replacement for Vinyl, but more as a more convenient and often less musical sounding alternative. Now I know this view is challenged, but imo CD and Vinyl are very different formats with a different sound, and different emotional ownership attachments. - The biggest argument in favour of Streaming (with a decent Streamer) is that it: a) IMO. Sounds substantially better than the equivalently priced CDP ie. better VFM b) Is far more flexible with regards what it can do and the resolutions it can handle c) Has much more convenient storage, access and control over how/where you listen to your music d) The absence of moving parts / lasers etc means there is much less to go wrong. - The OP is looking at a £6k CDP, so I feel that his money could possibly be better spent on a Streaming solution, as I have personally heard how a medium priced streamer (eg.Majik) has shown a clean pair of heels to some very expensive CDPs (eg.Mark Levinson). - I see "Streamer vs CDP" in the same way as I saw "DVD vs Blu-Ray" or 1080i vs 1080p....in other words, taking an existing digital format and substantially improving it; except in the case of streaming, it has also removed the disadvantages of a physical format. - I was/am an old "dyed-in-the-wool" audiophile, who would be making all the same points that you are, if some time ago, I hadn't been invited by my local Linn dealer to hear what this amazing new-fangled Linn DS could do. It was described by them as a "game changer", and they were not wrong. What I heard made such a impression on me, that it was enough to overcome my technophobic tendencies...as a growing band have also discovered. - As the new computer savvy generation come forward (eg. my kids), they won't be held back by the old ways and prejudices, and will embrace all the new advances (already happening with the amount of Streamers that are starting to appear on here, compared to even a year ago)....and it's this likely obsolescence within the next few years, that was one of the reasons that made me question the wisdom of such an expensive CDP. I hope this has made my reasoning a little clearer, and feel totally free to completely disagree with it. beauty, eh Cno

Crystal clear Cno, thank you.

However, personally I see no disadvantage of taking a CD from it's case and placing into a CDP and pressing play.

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Also, I think you'd be surprised how many young people are discovering the joys of vynal.

Finally, the OP wouldn't have to spend 6K on a CDP to discover the beauty of superb music replay, as I found in my long search for a player... EMC1UP £3,800 new!

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Crystal clear Cno, thank you.

However, personally I see no disadvantage of taking a CD from it's case and placing into a CDP and pressing play.

Neither did I, until I could peruse my whole CD collection at the push of a button....I now listen to a greater percentage of my music than ever.

Macspur wrote:

Also, I think you'd be surprised how many young people are discovering the joys of vynal.

Which bears out my point that Vinyl is a viable alternative to digital.....but down the road, it will always be niche market compared to Streaming.

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Finally, the OP wouldn't have to spend 6K on a CDP to discover the beauty of superb music replay, as I found in my long search for a player... EMC1UP £3,800 new!

Agreed, but a direct comparison with an £1800 Majik DS might prove interesting....I haven't done it, so can't possibly comment!!

 

 

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RE: The Linn DS / DSM thread

Same experience, the integrated amp is good, but I found the Majik 4100 power amp gives a more detail, open and clean sound. I went onto the Linn forum and I found it is quite common for DSM owners to switch off the integrated amp, and use an external power amp.

A lot of people seem to be raving about the Tundra amp which has been designed by a Linn enthusiast... I wish I had £2800 to spare though!  read this

 

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Same experience, the integrated amp is good, but I found the Majik 4100 power amp gives a more detail, open and clean sound. I went onto the Linn forum and I found it is quite common for DSM owners to switch off the integrated amp, and use an external power amp.

A lot of people seem to be raving about the Tundra amp which has been designed by a Linn enthusiast... I wish I had £2800 to spare though!  read this

Please touch base with any thoughts or improvements that you make to your system.

As well as the Tundra, you should also have this amp in your sights (though it isn't a power amp): http://www.theabsolutesound.com/articles/nad-c-390dd-direct-digital-inte... (link thx to DocG)

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