The great cd player con..........Your thoughts please!
Thanks 
Still, imo it's out of order for a long(ish) established member to make the post I did. There were much better ways of politely saying that discussions questioning the merits of different transports (and other contentious issues) are worn-thin and never result in an agreement. It was posted after a heated argument with a family member, so I guess I just let it all out lol.
I hope he's happy with his AVI's...lot of money to drop on something purely based on someone else's recommendation.
Well, I see my original post is still causing much consternation on this forum only now it has moved on to critizing my desition to buy a set of AVI's without a demonstration. You lot really are a sorry bunch I am afraid.
Firstly, I thought this forum would be full of lovers of hi fi and music who wanted to share their experiences good and bad so others could learn and get some ideas and make choices to help them in the quest to purchase Hi Fi that suits their own particular lifestyle. But hey ho that dosnt appear to be the case.
Major fubar....you dont need to apologize. If you are having problems at home you were bound to feel like EDITED.....I have been there.
As for my desition to buy the AVI's unheard lets just evaluate that. I drifted across to the other forum because I was made to feel like some evil villain on here. Apart from anything else the guys on the other forum have been nothing less than welcoming and full of advice and they are not at all up themselves but just seem to have a love of music. Not the Hi Fi....They appear to have landed on a system that is that good ,they can simply plug it in and forget it. They are not plagued by the thought that if they buy the interconnect the guy in the hi fi shop is trying to sell them for £500 will it give that that smidgeon of extra bass that I think has been missing? Or, is the new amp that their fave company have just bought out although its £500 more than the last model it must be so much better so I must have it.
Dont get me wrong...I have been there. Years of tinkering and swapping out this for that and never being totally satisfied because I was listening to the equipment and stopped listening to the music.
Well perhaps I had a bit of an epiphany. The fact that I was starting from scratch again probably made it easier to give a completely new concept a try coupled with the fact that the product is incredibly well thought of and loved by those who have it. There are not many of the AVI systems for sale are there? Once people get one they tend to keep them which speaks volumes I think. Its because they are too busy listening to their music rather than reading hi fi mags to see whats new and must have. I just looked on Ebay and there were !000 items for sale from Naim and 2500 from Linn. Not a single one from AVI. now I am not decrying Naim or Linn. I have had systems by both in the past and they make superb equipment. But my point is that people who have AVI seem very happy with them.
Is it such a risk to do what I have done? The guy who runs AVI sends systems all over the world that customers are buying without a listen first. I hope he is being honest when he tells me he has hardly ever had one back ...even though he offers a 30 day sale or return option. That says alot about his product.
I was ready to shell nearly three grand on a separates system. In the event I have spent a bit less than £1500,as I have also ordered a Sonos connect and a Sonos bridge to go with the AVI's as I fancy a complete change and want to try out digital on the new system with CD as a back up.
I am excited and intrigued once more by Hi fi and cant wait to try out the new system. I am not saying it will be my last system.... I am already eying up the AVI ADM40's as they do look like an ultimate set up...but for now I am going to enjoy my music again on my new hi fi.
Just be happy for me!
Excellent post, and as an non AVI owner, congratulations from me - if you love music more than kit, I doubt you'll be disappointed whatsoever...
I'm very new here, so can't really comment much about forum attitudes and politics - but unfortunately no forums I've ever visited are totally immune.
It seems that wherever people congregate, there will be differences of opinon, and with it the undesirable side effect of upsetting someone, somewhere.
Brand name forums are usually the worst, as a lord of the flies mentality can quickly take hold, and dissenters given the rough treatment.
On the whole though, forums can be a fun way to share thoughts about ones hobby/interests, provided it's not taken too seriously - one of my new years resolutions for 2013 is to spend less time on the computer in the virtual world, and more time out in the real world with my various hobbies and interests etc - there is after all, life beyond music, HiFi and the internet!!
I look forward to your comments - I waited 10 days for my B&O Beolab 9's to be made to order and shipped to me - it was a angst ridden time as I worried about shipping damage etc, and whether I'd done the right thing spending all that money, so I've some idea of what you're going through - but the end result was a large box delivered damage free, and a pair of speakers sitting in my lounge for the last three weeks almost, that just blow my mind re sound quality, look amazing, and will provide me musical pleasure for the next decade plus, with no intrusive thoughts about 'upgrades' or needing to obsessivly fiddle with it, tweak it, fit a 'better' (?) cable etc.
To me, as a mainly classical music lover who also appreciates and likes to know on a relatively deep level the whys and wherefores of things, but doesn't want to get obsessivly bogged down with tinkering about with kit (been there and done that), that's worth the price of admission alone - active gives you the audio equivalent of a well designed car, rather than buying the body from one maker and going shopping elsewhere for the wheels, tyres, engine and gearbox etc as found in the audio separates world.
Thats not to denigrate the interests and hobbies of those who like tinkering with kit - it's a very valid aspect of the hobby and a strong interest for many, - but as I say, I've been there and done that, and with the purchase of an active system have come back to my musical roots where the kit is a fiddle free means to the end - the high quality reproduction of music in the home.
If that's what you're looking for, I think you'll be very happy indeed with your purchase decison to go active with the AVI solution....
HTH
John...
Thanks Still, imo it's out of order for a long(ish) established member to make the post I did. There were much better ways of politely saying that discussions questioning the merits of different transports (and other contentious issues) are worn-thin and never result in an agreement. It was posted after a heated argument with a family member, so I guess I just let it all out lol.
I hope he's happy with his AVI's...lot of money to drop on something purely based on someone else's recommendation.
Many thanks John 
At least you can see where I am coming from.......and thanks to the rest of you who appear to recognize the failings of some of the other forum members. Enjoy your weekends guys!
Well, I see my original post is still causing much consternation on this forum only now it has moved on to critizing my desition to buy a set of AVI's without a demonstration. You lot really are a sorry bunch I am afraid.
Firstly, I thought this forum would be full of lovers of hi fi and music who wanted to share their experiences good and bad so others could learn and get some ideas and make choices to help them in the quest to purchase Hi Fi that suits their own particular lifestyle. But hey ho that dosnt appear to be the case.
Major fubar....you dont need to apologize. If you are having problems at home you were bound to feel like EDITED.....I have been there.
As for my desition to buy the AVI's unheard lets just evaluate that. I drifted across to the other forum because I was made to feel like some evil villain on here. Apart from anything else the guys on the other forum have been nothing less than welcoming and full of advice and they are not at all up themselves but just seem to have a love of music. Not the Hi Fi....They appear to have landed on a system that is that good ,they can simply plug it in and forget it. They are not plagued by the thought that if they buy the interconnect the guy in the hi fi shop is trying to sell them for £500 will it give that that smidgeon of extra bass that I think has been missing? Or, is the new amp that their fave company have just bought out although its £500 more than the last model it must be so much better so I must have it.
Dont get me wrong...I have been there. Years of tinkering and swapping out this for that and never being totally satisfied because I was listening to the equipment and stopped listening to the music.
Well perhaps I had a bit of an epiphany. The fact that I was starting from scratch again probably made it easier to give a completely new concept a try coupled with the fact that the product is incredibly well thought of and loved by those who have it. There are not many of the AVI systems for sale are there? Once people get one they tend to keep them which speaks volumes I think. Its because they are too busy listening to their music rather than reading hi fi mags to see whats new and must have. I just looked on Ebay and there were !000 items for sale from Naim and 2500 from Linn. Not a single one from AVI. now I am not decrying Naim or Linn. I have had systems by both in the past and they make superb equipment. But my point is that people who have AVI seem very happy with them.
Is it such a risk to do what I have done? The guy who runs AVI sends systems all over the world that customers are buying without a listen first. I hope he is being honest when he tells me he has hardly ever had one back ...even though he offers a 30 day sale or return option. That says alot about his product.
I was ready to shell nearly three grand on a separates system. In the event I have spent a bit less than £1500,as I have also ordered a Sonos connect and a Sonos bridge to go with the AVI's as I fancy a complete change and want to try out digital on the new system with CD as a back up.
I am excited and intrigued once more by Hi fi and cant wait to try out the new system. I am not saying it will be my last system.... I am already eying up the AVI ADM40's as they do look like an ultimate set up...but for now I am going to enjoy my music again on my new hi fi.
Just be happy for me!
Excellent post, and as an non AVI owner, congratulations from me - if you love music more than kit, I doubt you'll be disappointed whatsoever...
I'm very new here, so can't really comment much about forum attitudes and politics - but unfortunately no forums I've ever visited are totally immune.
It seems that wherever people congregate, there will be differences of opinon, and with it the undesirable side effect of upsetting someone, somewhere.
Brand name forums are usually the worst, as a lord of the flies mentality can quickly take hold, and dissenters given the rough treatment.
On the whole though, forums can be a fun way to share thoughts about ones hobby/interests, provided it's not taken too seriously - one of my new years resolutions for 2013 is to spend less time on the computer in the virtual world, and more time out in the real world with my various hobbies and interests etc - there is after all, life beyond music, HiFi and the internet!!
I look forward to your comments - I waited 10 days for my B&O Beolab 9's to be made to order and shipped to me - it was a angst ridden time as I worried about shipping damage etc, and whether I'd done the right thing spending all that money, so I've some idea of what you're going through - but the end result was a large box delivered damage free, and a pair of speakers sitting in my lounge for the last three weeks almost, that just blow my mind re sound quality, look amazing, and will provide me musical pleasure for the next decade plus, with no intrusive thoughts about 'upgrades' or needing to obsessivly fiddle with it, tweak it, fit a 'better' (?) cable etc.
To me, as a mainly classical music lover who also appreciates and likes to know on a relatively deep level the whys and wherefores of things, but doesn't want to get obsessivly bogged down with tinkering about with kit (been there and done that), that's worth the price of admission alone - active gives you the audio equivalent of a well designed car, rather than buying the body from one maker and going shopping elsewhere for the wheels, tyres, engine and gearbox etc as found in the audio separates world.
Thats not to denigrate the interests and hobbies of those who like tinkering with kit - it's a very valid aspect of the hobby and a strong interest for many, - but as I say, I've been there and done that, and with the purchase of an active system have come back to my musical roots where the kit is a fiddle free means to the end - the high quality reproduction of music in the home.
If that's what you're looking for, I think you'll be very happy indeed with your purchase decison to go active with the AVI solution....
HTH
John...
Thanks Still, imo it's out of order for a long(ish) established member to make the post I did. There were much better ways of politely saying that discussions questioning the merits of different transports (and other contentious issues) are worn-thin and never result in an agreement. It was posted after a heated argument with a family member, so I guess I just let it all out lol.
I hope he's happy with his AVI's...lot of money to drop on something purely based on someone else's recommendation.
Many thanks John At least you can see where I am coming from.......and thanks to the rest of you who appear to recognize the failings of some of the other forum members. Enjoy your weekends guys!
Well, I see my original post is still causing much consternation on this forum only now it has moved on to critizing my desition to buy a set of AVI's without a demonstration. You lot really are a sorry bunch I am afraid.
Firstly, I thought this forum would be full of lovers of hi fi and music who wanted to share their experiences good and bad so others could learn and get some ideas and make choices to help them in the quest to purchase Hi Fi that suits their own particular lifestyle. But hey ho that dosnt appear to be the case.
Major fubar....you dont need to apologize. If you are having problems at home you were bound to feel like EDITED.....I have been there.
As for my desition to buy the AVI's unheard lets just evaluate that. I drifted across to the other forum because I was made to feel like some evil villain on here. Apart from anything else the guys on the other forum have been nothing less than welcoming and full of advice and they are not at all up themselves but just seem to have a love of music. Not the Hi Fi....They appear to have landed on a system that is that good ,they can simply plug it in and forget it. They are not plagued by the thought that if they buy the interconnect the guy in the hi fi shop is trying to sell them for £500 will it give that that smidgeon of extra bass that I think has been missing? Or, is the new amp that their fave company have just bought out although its £500 more than the last model it must be so much better so I must have it.
Dont get me wrong...I have been there. Years of tinkering and swapping out this for that and never being totally satisfied because I was listening to the equipment and stopped listening to the music.
Well perhaps I had a bit of an epiphany. The fact that I was starting from scratch again probably made it easier to give a completely new concept a try coupled with the fact that the product is incredibly well thought of and loved by those who have it. There are not many of the AVI systems for sale are there? Once people get one they tend to keep them which speaks volumes I think. Its because they are too busy listening to their music rather than reading hi fi mags to see whats new and must have. I just looked on Ebay and there were !000 items for sale from Naim and 2500 from Linn. Not a single one from AVI. now I am not decrying Naim or Linn. I have had systems by both in the past and they make superb equipment. But my point is that people who have AVI seem very happy with them.
Is it such a risk to do what I have done? The guy who runs AVI sends systems all over the world that customers are buying without a listen first. I hope he is being honest when he tells me he has hardly ever had one back ...even though he offers a 30 day sale or return option. That says alot about his product.
I was ready to shell nearly three grand on a separates system. In the event I have spent a bit less than £1500,as I have also ordered a Sonos connect and a Sonos bridge to go with the AVI's as I fancy a complete change and want to try out digital on the new system with CD as a back up.
I am excited and intrigued once more by Hi fi and cant wait to try out the new system. I am not saying it will be my last system.... I am already eying up the AVI ADM40's as they do look like an ultimate set up...but for now I am going to enjoy my music again on my new hi fi.
Just be happy for me!
Excellent post, and as an non AVI owner, congratulations from me - if you love music more than kit, I doubt you'll be disappointed whatsoever...
I'm very new here, so can't really comment much about forum attitudes and politics - but unfortunately no forums I've ever visited are totally immune.
It seems that wherever people congregate, there will be differences of opinon, and with it the undesirable side effect of upsetting someone, somewhere.
Brand name forums are usually the worst, as a lord of the flies mentality can quickly take hold, and dissenters given the rough treatment.
On the whole though, forums can be a fun way to share thoughts about ones hobby/interests, provided it's not taken too seriously - one of my new years resolutions for 2013 is to spend less time on the computer in the virtual world, and more time out in the real world with my various hobbies and interests etc - there is after all, life beyond music, HiFi and the internet!!
I look forward to your comments - I waited 10 days for my B&O Beolab 9's to be made to order and shipped to me - it was a angst ridden time as I worried about shipping damage etc, and whether I'd done the right thing spending all that money, so I've some idea of what you're going through - but the end result was a large box delivered damage free, and a pair of speakers sitting in my lounge for the last three weeks almost, that just blow my mind re sound quality, look amazing, and will provide me musical pleasure for the next decade plus, with no intrusive thoughts about 'upgrades' or needing to obsessivly fiddle with it, tweak it, fit a 'better' (?) cable etc.
To me, as a mainly classical music lover who also appreciates and likes to know on a relatively deep level the whys and wherefores of things, but doesn't want to get obsessivly bogged down with tinkering about with kit (been there and done that), that's worth the price of admission alone - active gives you the audio equivalent of a well designed car, rather than buying the body from one maker and going shopping elsewhere for the wheels, tyres, engine and gearbox etc as found in the audio separates world.
Thats not to denigrate the interests and hobbies of those who like tinkering with kit - it's a very valid aspect of the hobby and a strong interest for many, - but as I say, I've been there and done that, and with the purchase of an active system have come back to my musical roots where the kit is a fiddle free means to the end - the high quality reproduction of music in the home.
If that's what you're looking for, I think you'll be very happy indeed with your purchase decison to go active with the AVI solution....
HTH
John...
Many thanks John at least you can see where I am coming from! Thanks to the rest of you as well who posted last night and appeared to recognize the failings of some of the forum members!
Have a good weekend guys!
"4K is a lot of money for hi-fi."
Where do you get 4K from, they are £1,400?
Maybe there is hype around often is for a good product, just like there is hype about Naim. Anyway I have not tried them yet so I can't comment, I will be comparing the cheapest AVI and a system like the cheapest Rega one which is about £1,400 (DAC, AMP, speakers). Good to hear about the tweeters.
As re my concerns most of those have gone away having heard from AVI users, music/positioning etc. In fact it could be better for me, just have a blu-ray dvd player and tablet under the TV and speakers either side would work much better than current set plus great sound for movies/TV.
"Firstly, I thought this forum would be full of lovers of hi fi and music who wanted to share their experiences good and bad so others could learn and get some ideas and make choices to help them in the quest to purchase Hi Fi that suits their own particular lifestyle. But hey ho that dosnt appear to be the case.
Major fubar....you dont need to apologize. If you are having problems at home you were bound to feel like EDITED.....I have been there.
As for my desition to buy the AVI's unheard lets just evaluate that. I drifted across to the other forum because I was made to feel like some evil villain on here. Apart from anything else the guys on the other forum have been nothing less than welcoming and full of advice and they are not at all up themselves but just seem to have a love of music. Not the Hi Fi....They appear to have landed on a system that is that good ,they can simply plug it in and forget it."
I have been on a few forums for others things and I have to say this is probably the worst one Ive been on for rudeness and ease of use, at least Major apologised.
"The guy who runs AVI sends systems all over the world that customers are buying without a listen first. I hope he is being honest when he tells me he has hardly ever had one back ...even though he offers a 30 day sale or return option."
I have to disagree with this statement however, I think if I bought an AVI abroad and did not like it I think I would sell it on instead of paying £100s to send it back.
"4K is a lot of money for hi-fi."
Where do you get 4K from, they are £1,400?
I think 'shooter' was refering to 'nativ-bon's statement that actives were two to three times better than passives for price. The ADM9s are £1300, so three times this is around £4k and £4k buys a lot of hi-fi (or it should).
That's where £4k came from.
OK thanks I understand where it came from now.
If people are disagreeing with the idea of spending that sort of money without listening to the system first then it's only because of the number of people we've seen doing exactly that and regretting it.
Kerching !!!. The OP seems to think that it is a personal dig ,when nothing could be further from the truth. I really dont give a flying if its AVI speaker thingys or a 300* quid amp. Lets face it, would you buy a car and not take it out for a spin first ?.
* 300 quid is a lot of money to some peeps.
What !, Eh !. Fill me in H. How much would you get shafted here if you decide 'whoops I dont like these' ?.
I've seen much worse and that was a magazine's unmoderated forum (not hi-fi).
" £4k buys a lot of hi-fi (or it should)."
YEs and it will probably have an amp that is rated under 100W, read articles about amps.
What !, Eh !. Fill me in H. How much would you get shafted here if you decide 'whoops I dont like these' ?.
What I'm saying is if you order your AVI from say Norway or USA and you don't like it you can return but the shipping and insurance will probably cost you over £100. That is the problem with distance buying.
YEs and it will probably have an amp that is rated under 100W, read articles about amps.
Whats that got to do with the price of fish ?.
Crikey Im posting you a shovel BigH because you may be needing it.
