Out of all the bookshelf speakers I've heard my absolute favourites are the B&W PM1 and the PMC DB1i. I probably wouldn't change my 685s for the PMCs now, but I'd certainly take a pair of PM1s without any hesitation if I could afford them. Wonderful speakers.
Hi Matthewpiano, haven't heard the DB1i only the 22's.....but completely agree on the PM1's it was love at first sight for me, i was ready to make the commitment but then the B&W 805D turned up and ruined the party
btw does anyone know if there are two versions of the 805D? as on some forums i have seen 805D2 mentioned
Onkyo 818, MA BX2 Front, MA Bronze Centre, MA C265 FX Rear and back, Velodyne DD12+ Sub
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Hi Jaxwired, Thanks for putting me onto the NAD C390DD, i found it from reading through some of the threads you wrote, any thoughts on the right speakers? I know you are a big fan of the LS50 but i'm concerned both are very precise with a lot of detail, and the Nad is a bit distant in presentation which might leave me a bit cold. I was thinking C390dd with the MA PL100 which you also liked as the PL100 have a very forward presentation which may balance the C390?
The best bookshelf speakers I have heard are the Kef Reference 201/2, the B&W PM1's, and the Spendor SA1's (which I own and love). The Kefs were being run by Cyrus Pre Power, dunno with the B&W's, and I run my Spendors off a Cyrus DacXP+ and X Power.
Thanks for the SA1's will give them a try, heard the Kef Ref 201/2 but they were too bright for me but this could have been down to the Krell pre / power they were on in comparison to the LS50
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Totally agree.....but this will take the OP on a very different journey (SET amps, NOS Dacs and "Classic Snell Design" speakers)....though it's well worth the effort, if he's intrepid enough.
The Sonus Faber showroom demo system was tube based, running off two Audio Research reference 750 blocks, really impressive in all senses! would love to have a tube based system some day...
B&W 805D running off a Luxman class A integrated amp and Luxman's most top of the range CD/SACD player. Stopped me in my tracks.
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Hi CnoEvil, My previous post is http://www.whathifi.com/forum/hi-fi/nad-c390dd-or-naim-supernait-and-which-bookshelf-speakers
Budget is around 4,000 new or used, right now I'm looking at Naim Supernait or Nad C390dd with Kef LS50, B&W PM1, B&W 805D or Monitor Audio PL100
Would prefer an amp with a DAC so i can stream or use a PS3 as a transport, but must be able to take a pre out from an AV Amp so volume can be controlled from my Onkyo 818
Speakers need to have a matching centre as this will be part of a 7.1 system
Movies vs Music 65/35% and Music taste covers everything from Rap to Rock to Opera
My choice for amplification would be:
- Musical Fidelity M6i (HT Bi-Pass)
- Moon 340i (HT Bi-Pass and Dac)...might stretch your budget a little.
My choice for speakers would be the Kef R series....which ever model suits budget and room size.
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The fact you are incorporating it into your AV system, makes it more sensible to get something with HT Bi-pass and something that isn't valves, as the front sound field won't match.
There is also the fact that Class A is more expensive to run if it's left on only doing HT duties.
I'd say you're on the right track. Synergy is key to great sound. Hifi equipment all sounds different so it makes sense that certain pairings of amps and speakers work better together. The C390DD does sound smoother and could be called "distant", but IMO that "smoothness" is really just a result of the total lack of noise and distortion. But yes, I think the C390 would pair better with a speaker that leans forward rather than backward.
I would bet the PL100 would be incredible with the C390 because that speaker can be edgy with a bright amp. The smooth C390 would tame them, plus, they could use the massive bass kick the C390 can produce.
I also think the new PMC Twenty line would work well. I have not heard the twenty's but everyone reports that they are brighter than the old i series. This is also true of the fact 3.
Music Server -> Micromega MyDAC -> Wyred4Sound Sti 1000 -> PMC IB2s -> Chord Cables
I agree the NAD / MA combo theoretically should go really well together, but to be honest I didnt love either item individually and there isnt anywhere to test the two together.....So i have B&W 805 Diamonds on order, now I just need to find an Amp to go with it.....any suggestions?
I think Classe are distributed by B&W in the UK and are often demoed together, I have to say while Classe gear is expensive they are some of the finest electronics I’ve heard.
Funny, was just looking at Classe....unfortunately as you say they are expensive, seems like the CAP2100 may work but i'm not sure if its possible to use the pre-out from my Onkyo 818 AV Amp to control the volume directly, saw a user comment on the what hifi review but been through the manual and there is no reference to this function
Wilson Audio Duettes. I am fortunate enough to own a pair.
DB1i is a great little speaker and so is the Totem Dreamcatcher.
The best value pair of small monitors that I've heard recently is the Pioneer SA4SPTPM. The cabinets are made out of old oak whisky barrels. They are phenomenal speakers for the money. Highly musical and fun, with an amazing soundstage and bass response for their size. So good in fact that I have just bought a pair courtesy of my weekend employer Audio-T (Cheltenham).
I thought that Pioneer could only make electronic hardware - I was wrong!
I'm not questioning them as speakers but what a cynical gimmick that is! I just read this off their website 'The wood has absorbed the whiskey, creating a distinctively smooth and rich acoustic quality, unlike that of any virgin wood.'
real world usher s520 £350
non-real world magico q1 £20k
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