TELLURIUM Q BLACK speaker cabels ?
The cheaper TQ Blues are said to be more tolerant as well, so from Blacks you can go up to Green or down to Blues. I imagine if your system or recordings have no weak points, Blacks also will truthfully reflect that - indeed, they will be brilliant! But the Greens give such a beautiful sound with everything - old system, new; old recordings, new.
IMO. That is correct, as the Blue and Green were made as the more "palatable" sweeter versions, ie.compared to the Black and Ultra Black.
The cheaper TQ Blues are said to be more tolerant as well, so from Blacks you can go up to Green or down to Blues. I imagine if your system or recordings have no weak points, Blacks also will truthfully reflect that - indeed, they will be brilliant! But the Greens give such a beautiful sound with everything - old system, new; old recordings, new.
IMO. That is correct, as the Blue and Green were made as the more "palatable" sweeter versions, ie.compared to the Black and Ultra Black.
Now I'm really confused (not difficult, I know). So the Blacks are less benevolent than the Blues or Greens? So... thinking out the logic whilst typing... to have the Blacks you'll need an ideally balanced system, whereas a less than balance kit is better suited to the Blues and Greens?
Now I'm really confused (not difficult, I know). So the Blacks are less benevolent than the Blues or Greens? So... thinking out the logic whilst typing... to have the Blacks you'll need an ideally balanced system, whereas a less than balance kit is better suited to the Blues and Greens?
Hi PP
The Black and Ultra Black are very truthful cables which will not hide any imbalance / character in your system, or poor qualities in the recording......because of this, TQ have a sweeter option ie The Blue is the cheaper "easier on the ear" option to the Black; and the Green has the same relationship to the Ultra Black (cheaper and sweeter).
So price/performance wise it goes Blue -> Black -> Green -> Ultra Black.
Your logic is correct, provided you believe that cables have an effect.......as always, it is down to personal preference ie. Those who like a "warts and all" sound vs those who don't. I believe cables need to be considered as part of the balance of a system, though they (usually) have less impact than other components, speaker positioning and room acoustics.
IMO. Quite a lot of SS components are a little hard and sterile sounding, so very accurate cables and indeed speakers will completely reveal this.....whether this is a good or bad thing will depend on each individual.
Now I'm really confused (not difficult, I know). So the Blacks are less benevolent than the Blues or Greens? So... thinking out the logic whilst typing... to have the Blacks you'll need an ideally balanced system, whereas a less than balance kit is better suited to the Blues and Greens?
Hi PP
The Black and Ultra Black are very truthful cables which will not hide any imbalance / character in your system, or poor qualities in the recording......because of this, TQ have a sweeter option ie The Blue is the cheaper "easier on the ear" option to the Black; and the Green has the same relationship to the Ultra Black (cheaper and sweeter).
So price/performance wise it goes Blue -> Black -> Green -> Ultra Black.
Your logic is correct, provided you believe that cables have an effect.......as always, it is down to personal preference ie. Those who like a "warts and all" sound vs those who don't. I believe cables need to be considered as part of the balance of a system, though they (usually) have less impact than other components, speaker positioning and room acoustics.
IMO. Quite a lot of SS components are a little hard and sterile sounding, so very accurate cables and indeed speakers will completely reveal this.....whether this is a good or bad thing will depend on each individual.
I can sort of understand entry-level cable being more benevolent or less revealing of systems not demonstrating a certain equilibrium, but usually the further you go up the ladder the more temperamental cables are then that's when one has to choose or be more choosey of cables. Probably haven't conveyed that very well... you know what I mean... I hope. 
I can sort of understand entry-level cable being more benevolent or less revealing of systems not demonstrating a certain equilibrium, but usually the further you go up the ladder the more temperamental cables are then that's when one has to choose or be more choosey of cables. Probably haven't conveyed that very well... you know what I mean... I hope.
I think I know what you are getting at; and I find it hard to explain myself. When I say an expensive cable is sweeter, it doesn't mean it sounds like a cheap cable and is hiding a lot of detail..........in the same way as you can have 2 expensive amps, that are both very good, but sound very different.
What I found was that with TQ black & Ultrablack I noticed the bad bits more than the good bits. With Blue and Green I noticed the good bits more than the bad.
Pint half empty or half full??
Analytic v Musical ??
Oh boy, TQ-Blue, TQ-Black, I did a direct comparison at home last year. I seem to remember the price per meter was around £30, £50, repectivly. I still run the same 8x2m of system cable now as then, Linn K20 at £5 per meter. Q-Blue was terible and I mean terible!!! Q-Black was excelent, a tad better than my K20, but only a 'tad'.
I wonder how things would be now since I have changed to a full valve amplification system, fancy stylus and MC cartridge, rather than the hybrid amp and average mm cartridge I was then using? . . . it would have to be bl**dy good to justify 16 meters of over priced hifi copper cable? 
CJSF
I can sort of understand entry-level cable being more benevolent or less revealing of systems not demonstrating a certain equilibrium, but usually the further you go up the ladder the more temperamental cables are then that's when one has to choose or be more choosey of cables. Probably haven't conveyed that very well... you know what I mean... I hope.
I think I know what you are getting at; and I find it hard to explain myself. When I say an expensive cable is sweeter, it doesn't mean it sounds like a cheap cable and is hiding a lot of detail..........in the same way as you can have 2 expensive amps, that are both very good, but sound very different.
Get that...
That's where my Leema falls down at the mo. I would describe it as a 'Warts and all' presentation, and on compressed remastered recordings it can sound a little sterile. But when it is a good recording it sounds ruddy marvellous. Based on that premise the blacks would not make my short-list of new cables.
Get that...
That's where my Leema falls down at the mo. I would describe it as a 'Warts and all' presentation, and on compressed remastered recordings it can sound a little sterile. But when it is a good recording it sounds ruddy marvellous. Based on that premise the blacks would not make my short-list of new cables.
In theory I would agree.....but as you know, hifi can sometimes be as unpredictable as taste.
I also rate Atlas and Vertere (D-Fi range).
Oh boy, TQ-Blue, TQ-Black, I did a direct comparison at home last year. I seem to remember the price per meter was around £30, £50, repectivly. I still run the same 8x2m of system cable now as then, Linn K20 at £5 per meter. Q-Blue was terible and I mean terible!!! Q-Black was excelent, a tad better than my K20, but only a 'tad'.
I wonder how things would be now since I have changed to a full valve amplification system, fancy stylus and MC cartridge, rather than the hybrid amp and average mm cartridge I was then using? . . . it would have to be bl**dy good to justify 16 meters of over priced hifi copper cable?
CJSF
Did you burn the cables in for at least 70 hours?
Get that...
That's where my Leema falls down at the mo. I would describe it as a 'Warts and all' presentation, and on compressed remastered recordings it can sound a little sterile. But when it is a good recording it sounds ruddy marvellous. Based on that premise the blacks would not make my short-list of new cables.
In theory I would agree.....but as you know, hifi can sometimes be as unpredictable as taste.
I also rate Atlas and Vertere (D-Fi range).
That's true - nothing is 'nailed on'. But those RS's tweeters does make one feel nervous, given how "system sensitive" they can be. They can sound fantastic but they are, with the Leema, on the sonic cusp. There's no margin for error.
Oh boy, TQ-Blue, TQ-Black, I did a direct comparison at home last year. I seem to remember the price per meter was around £30, £50, repectivly. I still run the same 8x2m of system cable now as then, Linn K20 at £5 per meter. Q-Blue was terible and I mean terible!!! Q-Black was excelent, a tad better than my K20, but only a 'tad'.
I wonder how things would be now since I have changed to a full valve amplification system, fancy stylus and MC cartridge, rather than the hybrid amp and average mm cartridge I was then using? . . . it would have to be bl**dy good to justify 16 meters of over priced hifi copper cable?
CJSF
Did you burn the cables in for at least 70 hours?
They were the local hifi shops hand out, home audition sets, I have no idea how many hours they had but one presumes they were conditioned . . . ? I even tried the directionality of the cables, a factor that many dont accept . . .
Oh boy, TQ-Blue, TQ-Black, I did a direct comparison at home last year. I seem to remember the price per meter was around £30, £50, repectivly. I still run the same 8x2m of system cable now as then, Linn K20 at £5 per meter. Q-Blue was terible and I mean terible!!! Q-Black was excelent, a tad better than my K20, but only a 'tad'.
I wonder how things would be now since I have changed to a full valve amplification system, fancy stylus and MC cartridge, rather than the hybrid amp and average mm cartridge I was then using? . . . it would have to be bl**dy good to justify 16 meters of over priced hifi copper cable?
CJSF
Did you burn the cables in for at least 70 hours?
They were the local hifi shops hand out, home audition sets, I have no idea how many hours they had but one presumes they were conditioned . . . ? I even tried the directionality of the cables, a factor that many dont accept . . .
Just a point of slight correction?? TQ-Blue is £16:50 per meter not £30.
The best way to define the Q black is realistic cabels , they will not add any color or softness to the music , they wil not hide or exaggerate anything .
If you just want to listen to the music as it is than it is an excellent cable but if your hi fi system and/or your music sources are not good enough than it will be abovius immediately .
The cheaper TQ Blues are said to be more tolerant as well, so from Blacks you can go up to Green or down to Blues. I imagine if your system or recordings have no weak points, Blacks also will truthfully reflect that - indeed, they will be brilliant! But the Greens give such a beautiful sound with everything - old system, new; old recordings, new.
Rega Brio-R integrated amp, Rega Apollo-R cd player, Tellurium Q Green speaker cables, Tellurium Q Black interconnects, Rega Isis/Osiris mains power cables, KEF LS50 speakers.