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Ok! 

In that case i've done the same thing. :grin:

 

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I'm seriously thinking I should get one of these. My current NAS set-up is a bit of a cludge, and part of it went belly up yesterday, disabling half of my music library (artists A-L, as it happens).

I have an old (8 yrs?) Buffalo NAS with one 500GB drive in it. A couple of years ago I needed more capacity and added a 500GB Freecom external USB drive. It was the Freecom that died yesterday. Fortunately everything was backed up (twice over), and I had a spare 500GB USB drive sitting in a drawer, so overnight I copied the backed-up files onto the spare drive. After work today I plugged the spare drive in and, after a bit of nurdling in Sonos, got the whole library back up and running.

This has made me think that, although there's nothing wrong with it in principle, the system is a bit more complicated than it needs to be. (For one thing, having the library split over two separate drives means two separate back-up routines.) So maybe it's time to move forward, simplify and future-proof the system: one NAS with two mirrored 2TB drives.

The Synology DS213J looks the part, especially now that gapless playback is supported by the streaming software.

Are there any downsides I should know about?

:cheers:

Matt

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HI Matt

I haven't found any downsides yet (after 2 years of ownership).  In fact it does far more than I ever thought a NAS could.

It can get complicated if you delve into all the settings but most aren't needed for using as a music server.  Mine serves both a SB Touch and an Airport express (controlled by the DS Audio app).

I'm probably stating the obvious to you but don't just rely on mirrored drives for a backup as if you damage your music files it will duplicate the error to both - mirroring only helps if the drive fails.
I learnt this the hard way and removed the track name from 12,000 tracks and had the error mirrored to my 'backup' drive because it automatically synched!

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I'm probably stating the obvious to you but don't just rely on mirrored drives for a backup as if you damage your music files it will duplicate the error to both - mirroring only helps if the drive fails.
I learnt this the hard way and removed the track name from 12,000 tracks and had the error mirrored to my 'backup' drive because it automatically synched!

The definition of 'experience': making mistakes and learning from them. Though it is obviously better still to learn from other peoples' mistakes! :shifty:

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I'm probably stating the obvious to you but don't just rely on mirrored drives for a backup as if you damage your music files it will duplicate the error to both - mirroring only helps if the drive fails.

I learnt this the hard way and removed the track name from 12,000 tracks and had the error mirrored to my 'backup' drive because it automatically synched!

Cheers, Xanderzdad.

No, I also back everything up to a separate drive on my home network, and every fortnight or so I back up to a drive in another location altogether (in case the house burns down!).

You're right, of course, that mirroring can also replicate mistakes ...

:cheers:

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OK, that's it. My cludge NAS + USB disk set-up is a pain in the rectal area. The security settings have gone haywire and I now can't write to the USB drive. I can't be bothered to spend the time sorting it out. So I've pulled the trigger on a nice new Synology DS213J with a humungous amount of disk space. Simplicity beckons ...

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matt49 wrote:

OK, that's it. My cludge NAS + USB disk set-up is a pain in the rectal area. The security settings have gone haywire and I now can't write to the USB drive. I can't be bothered to spend the time sorting it out. So I've pulled the trigger on a nice new Synology DS213J with a humungous amount of disk space. Simplicity beckons ...

:cheers:

Matt

NICE, you'll not regreat this move! 2x2TB HD's...? 

Synology softwear is very friendly user, it has the instal wisard, I does every thing for you! 

Keep us posted...  :grin:

 

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OK, that's it. My cludge NAS + USB disk set-up is a pain in the rectal area. The security settings have gone haywire and I now can't write to the USB drive. I can't be bothered to spend the time sorting it out. So I've pulled the trigger on a nice new Synology DS213J with a humungous amount of disk space. Simplicity beckons ...

:cheers:

Matt

The word you're looking for is: proctalgiaWink

 

On a more serious note: I'm following this up closely, as I'm also pondering on a rip-and-NAS scenario. The thing is that good Wifi coverage seems hard to establish in our current house (concrete all over). And there are no UTP-ports anywhere either. Would LAN through mains be reliable? Or should I go for WIFI extenders/repeaters?

I'm struggling with this issue for some time, but I feel a solution is more urgently needed now, with the Devialet coming soon...

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The word you're looking for is: proctalgiaWink

Of course. Must pay a visit to my proctiatrist.

DocG wrote:

On a more serious note: I'm following this up closely, as I'm also pondering on a rip-and-NAS scenario. The thing is that good Wifi coverage seems hard to establish in our current house (concrete all over). And there are no UTP-ports anywhere either. Would LAN through mains be reliable? Or should I go for WIFI extenders/repeaters?

I'm struggling with this issue for some time, but I feel a solution is more urgently needed now, with the Devialet coming soon...

I also have trouble with the wi-fi signal. So when we had major works done several years ago, I had cat-5 ethernet laid throughout the house. Aside from reliability, I very much like the increased speed.

If you can't lay cable (which is, I believe, a vulgar expression in Australia, and would require another visit to the proctiatrist), my preference would be to go with wireless extenders, only because I've heard that mains LAN can be noisy. I don't know if there's anything in that though.

:cheers:

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Xanderzdad wrote:

I'm probably stating the obvious to you but don't just rely on mirrored drives for a backup as if you damage your music files it will duplicate the error to both - mirroring only helps if the drive fails.
I learnt this the hard way and removed the track name from 12,000 tracks and had the error mirrored to my 'backup' drive because it automatically synched!

The definition of 'experience': making mistakes and learning from them. Though it is obviously better still to learn from other peoples' mistakes! :shifty:

BTW: nice house you have!

So true - a good excuse to re-rip all the CD's to lossless and properly tag them all though.

Took me ages to figure out if you knew me / were a stalker after reading your 'nice house' comment until then remembered my avatar! :doh:   It's a chateau we visited in Saumur, France.

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DocG wrote:

Xanderzdad wrote:

I'm probably stating the obvious to you but don't just rely on mirrored drives for a backup as if you damage your music files it will duplicate the error to both - mirroring only helps if the drive fails.
I learnt this the hard way and removed the track name from 12,000 tracks and had the error mirrored to my 'backup' drive because it automatically synched!

The definition of 'experience': making mistakes and learning from them. Though it is obviously better still to learn from other peoples' mistakes! :shifty:

BTW: nice house you have!

So true - a good excuse to re-rip all the CD's to lossless and properly tag them all though.

Took me ages to figure out if you knew me / were a stalker after reading your 'nice house' comment until then remembered my avatar! :doh:   It's a chateau we visited in Saumur, France.

Don't worry... I live in a land, far, far away. Wink

Now, do you live in a nice house? :eek:

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The DS213j arrived late this morning. About 15 mins to set it up -- an absolute doddle. Then a couple of mins to add it to the Sonos music library. Simples! Now copying all the music files onto the DS over ethernet. Looking at somewhere like 10 hours.

So tomorrow I'll be able to retire the old Buffalo Linkstation from its music server duties. It's actually done jolly well: 7/8 years of service without a hitch. (The problems all came from getting an outboard USB drive to work with it.) 

I'm not planning to use all the fancy stuff on the DS just yet -- the Audio Station streaming software or the remote web access (though I can see the latter could be dead useful).

Once my Dev arrives I'm going to try to run it straight off the DS using Audio Station via USB -- I don't think it'll work, but it's worth a try. The alternative (which will definitely work) is to feed the Dev with one of my modded Sonos ZP90/Connect boxes via an S/PDIF-AES/EBU converter. 

:cheers:

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Hi Matt,

Does it run quiet? I mean: could you put it next to the hifi? Or is it somewhere in the garage, connected over UTP?

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Hi Matt,

Does it run quiet? I mean: could you put it next to the hifi? Or is it somewhere in the garage, connected over UTP?

It runs very quiet, i've mine in the back of my rack and i forget complitly that it's there, only at night the blue led (ON) is noticed. 

 

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Hi Matt,

Does it run quiet? I mean: could you put it next to the hifi? Or is it somewhere in the garage, connected over UTP?

Hi Doc,

A very low hum from the disk, which is busy ATM. Just about audible at 2m.

I haven't decided where to put it yet. I could keep it away from the listening room (e.g. in my study) or in the AV cabinet in the listening room, which is closed when I have music on.

I'm impressed by the smoothness of the user experience so far; the set-up is easy-peasy.

Cheers,

Matt

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