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I'm especially pleased from an buying, ownership, and performance point of view to have bought a non-audiophile brand.

I've copped flack from some audiophile quarters, re being told how my choices can be easily bettered etc - and as per usual this is 'proven' by generalised, sometimes rude, and often totally inaccurate subjective comment.

 

JB

Oh go on, JB, tell us what the new system is! I for one promise not to make generalised, rude, or totally inaccurate subjective comments ...

Oh, Ok then...lol

Left and Right main speakers are pictured in my Avatar (Beolab 9's); preamp/surround processor/centre channel/display is a V1-40 - all by B&O.

Source for music streaming is iMac with RB CDs ripped in ALAC + Apple TV3 via HDMI to the V1-40

Movies, & M/C SACD discs, is via a Sony Bluray via HDMI to the V1-40.

As I say, a very non-audiophile system, (B&O don't really market to audiophiles) but I'm delighted with it, on performance, quality, value for money, aesthetic, system integration and customer service grounds, as an AV consumer purchase, from a highly reputable manufacturer with impeccable R&D credentials.

 

JB

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Who knows, half these companies could be gone in 10 years time. 

Well for sure noone knows for sure who will still be around in 10 years but if you look to say ATC and PMC who supply most of the worlds top recording studios or if you want a amp firms like Bryston do the same and come with a 20 year warranty they are a safer bet than most.

If you had bought a AVI power amp and its gone wrong they dont carry spares and cant repair it but if you bought a Bryston amp they do and can.

 

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Also a big factor for me with the AVI kit is its run by 2 old men what happens when you need a repair or service to your speakers in 10 years time or so you will find the products are landfill.

I don't quite like the 'old men' comment, as it seems a bit ageist, but I do agree that when AJ and Mart pass on, the future is probably not looking very bright for the company and the owners who have invested in their products - they're probably too small a company to warrant a 'takeover' by another audio concern, and hence will probably die out with AJ & Mart, sad to say.

JB

 

 The 'old men' comment, i should of said retirement age as Ash is 65 plus now isnt he and id think mart is not far behind.

Its just when paying out large sums on a product i like to know it will be supported  for years to come.

Go back a few years and if i was looking for a pre and power tuner and cd player if id picked AVI those products would now nolonger be supported but for the same outlay if id picked Naim or Linn or Quad id still be able to send them back for service and repair maybe some dont care about things like that but i do.

Now they are at retirement age if you buy a AVI product now and it goes wrong and theres more to go wrong dont forget inside a active speaker that also contains a dac and a preamp it would make me think twice about spending 3k plus when theres other products that will still be repairable from other brands is all.

i meant them no dissrespect by saying old men.

 

No problems at all, I just get a bit pedantic sometimes about things like ageism, sexism, blah blah etc, - the usual.

As to your main point - I agree entirely - part of the reason I went for B&O is that they will support their products with spare parts going back the best part of thirty years; their business practices and customer service, speaking as a first hand consumer experience, is absolutely top tier.

Yes, as has been suggested you can play around with a soldering iron if you're so inclined or have the skills, with possibly outdated AVI products, but why should you?

When I'm spending a large amount of money on HIFi, a lot more than just the 'sound' matters to me, speaking personally of course.

It is after all a consumer purchase like any other, and I expect certain standards as regards business practices, customer service and backup re spares etc.

In fairness, other hobbyists will be content to get all hands on and fiddle about - but that's not really me anymore, having been there and done that.

Apologies if it seemed as if I was having a 'go' at you re the old men comment ..  Wink

 

JB

 

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BigH wrote:

How long will B&O be around?

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/retailandconsumer/9791455/Bang-and-Olufsen-to-close-125-stores.html

 

That article first came out in January of this year; B&O are closing their more unprofitable stores and opening new ones in more profitable markets such as China.

Worst case scenario is that they may be bought out by either another HiFi company, or a financial concern, much as the owners of Focal bought Naim.

As to whether they would continue in the same vein as regards products and design etc, is debatable.

However, I doubt very much that they'd ever totally disappear off the HiFi scene.

 

JB

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CnoEvil wrote:

Linn MDS + Sugden A21 SE + Kef LS50

 

Interesting - not the Linn bit but the Sugden - how would it compare with what you're currently using?

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BigH wrote:

Who knows, half these companies could be gone in 10 years time. 

 

exactly. 

Also, what is there in an AVI speaker that could not be maintained / repaired by a competent person ?

 

Reading between the lines they will still give back up to their older equipment where possible. How many manufacturers would keep an indefinite supply of spares for their old equipmen anywayt ?  

More likely they'd offer you a credit note on one of their new products. 

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I read lots of comments about getting their hifi repaired only to be told by the man. that the parts are no longer available, Cyrus springs to mind.

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Which man at Cyrus told you that they cant fix what Cyrus product ? to the best of my knowledge they can service and repair a Cyrus 1 or 2 ect.Might be a cd player they dont have a laser for anymore but i bet they can update it to a newer version still.

 

Heres is the latest Cyrus blog

http://www.cyrusaudio.com/blog/the-search-is-on

Thirty years on and there are plenty of early Cyrus products still going strong. So as part of our 30th anniversary celebrations, we’re searching for the oldest working Cyrus product in the UK. Do you have a Cyrus 1 or 2 which still works?

Tweet us your serial number using #cyrusanniversary, and if your Cyrus is the oldest, you will win a full service and internal refurbishment from our specialised Service and Support Team – completely free of charge!

Thats a 30 year old product

Whenever we service or repair a Cyrus product, our Service and Support Team update certain parts to modern specification, instantly improving the performance of the system. Our team will do this for your product, as well as thoroughly testing it and ensuring that it is performing and sounding as good as it did when it was new (or even better!).

 

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Either a cheap second hand  Rotel Cd player into an Electrocompaniet ECI 3 integrated amp  into a pair of PMC twenty 24 speakers .

or

A second hand  Musical fidelity A1 Cd pro Cd player  into a pair of PMC Two Two six active dsp speakers .

Both systems would come to about the £5000 mark so I would buy whichever one sounded the best Smile

 Electrocompaniet EMC 1 UP , Monarchy Audio DIP, Electrocompaniet ECD 1 dac , EC4.8 preamp , 2x AW180 monoblock power amps , PMC PB1i speakers . Thousands of Cd's .

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john dolan wrote:

Which man at Cyrus told you that they cant fix what Cyrus product ? to the best of my knowledge they can service and repair a Cyrus 1 or 2 ect.Might be a cd player they dont have a laser for anymore but i bet they can update it to a newer version still.

 

Heres is the latest Cyrus blog

http://www.cyrusaudio.com/blog/the-search-is-on

Thirty years on and there are plenty of early Cyrus products still going strong. So as part of our 30th anniversary celebrations, we’re searching for the oldest working Cyrus product in the UK. Do you have a Cyrus 1 or 2 which still works?

Tweet us your serial number using #cyrusanniversary, and if your Cyrus is the oldest, you will win a full service and internal refurbishment from our specialised Service and Support Team – completely free of charge!

Thats a 30 year old product

Whenever we service or repair a Cyrus product, our Service and Support Team update certain parts to modern specification, instantly improving the performance of the system. Our team will do this for your product, as well as thoroughly testing it and ensuring that it is performing and sounding as good as it did when it was new (or even better!).

 

 

Maybe you should read all the comments about the 6SE8SE cd player then. I think his name was Peter. 

 

So John you work for Cyrus?

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john dolan wrote:

BigH wrote:

Who knows, half these companies could be gone in 10 years time. 

Well for sure noone knows for sure who will still be around in 10 years but if you look to say ATC and PMC who supply most of the worlds top recording studios or if you want a amp firms like Bryston do the same and come with a 20 year warranty they are a safer bet than most.

If you had bought a AVI power amp and its gone wrong they dont carry spares and cant repair it but if you bought a Bryston amp they do and can.

 

 

How do you know they can't repair it?

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ok

ATC SCM100 Active + Numark M6 USB Mixer + Laptop + Yamaha / Korg sequencers etc

 

Think I'm over the 5K.   oops

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JMacMan wrote:

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At last I have kit that serves the needs of this predominately classical music lover, and with no audio foo or manufacturer attiude required for the total enjoyment thereof.

Call me an very, very happy, ex-audiophile..   Smile

 

JB   :cheers:

 

I would be very interested in knowing what you bought, as I only listen to classical as well and find I get very little good advice from the HIFI industry/shops as well. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Harbeth or Spendor speakers from the classic range, with Quad amp/CD.

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