"The what hifi review said positioning wasnt an issue with these speakers but i speak from extensive experience that that statement is utter rubbish."
The problem is WhatHiFi has a specially treated room, so what they get is different from nearly everyone else, if you had bass traps in all the corners and panels on the walls you probably would not get much bass boom. It has surprised me reading reviews how little is mentioned but seems a feature with many speakers.
You are listing some lovely kit, but none of us can tell you what will prove best for your needs........let us know what you decide.
"Everything has been said before, but since nobody listens we have to keep going back and beginning all over again." André Gide
As Cno says, you are indeed coming up with some tremendous contendors, but until you either start demoing or take the plunge with a blind buy,not recommended, you will never find what you are looking for.
I know what you are going through to a certain extent, as over the last couple of years I dithered over first changing my speakers, CDP and finally amp... only through extensive demos, home when possible, that I have found a set up that I will probably be keeping for quite a few years.
Accuphase E350 amp, Electrocompaniet EMC1UP CDP, Siltech 25th Classic anniversary 330I XLR Harbeth Super HL5 on Sound Anchor Quod ELS63 stands, Chord Odessey2 speaker cable. Grado SR60 headphones.
Has anyone heard a pair of PMC EB1i's? I am unable to hear them as they are second hand but would be most interested in them as i can have a full range speaker with excellent bass!
Need alot of drive though looking at specs (sens 87db and impedance 6ohms) so i think valve/class A amps are out which is as shame but what solid state would give enough power with a valve like sound/warmth/musicality!? I thought along line of EMC ECi5 mk2 but reviews have said how uber laid back it is maybe too much so! Also looking at the new Marantz PM11s3 and SA11s3 combo.
Btw i didnt think much of the MA GX200s i heard again too bass shy like my own MArx6 even connected the MF M6i but the amp made the speaker sound less bright than i had anticipated which was good so it seems like a very good amp for my tastes ie detailed sound with some warmth? Lacks a fully balanced input and circuit for a EMC 1up or Marantz SA-11S3 cd player though.
The EB1i is a discontinued model but is a fantastic speaker .
It is physically quite large and this put off a lot of potential purchasers, also the performance of the smaller and more room friendly PB1i is so close that the EB1i did not sell that well hence why PMC decided to discontinue this model .
I have done a direct comparison between the EB1i and PB1i and IMO the PB1i images better and gives equal power and slam in the bass except at very very high volumes where the EB1i just pulls ahead . The EBIi goes down to 19hz and the PB1i to 24hz
Both the EBIi and PB1i are far easier to drive than the figures suggest and are a relatively easy load .
Don't believe the reviews of the Electrocompaniet ECI 5 MK2 it is not laid back at all , please listen to one before writing it off or you will be seriously missing out . Also consider an Electrocompaniet pre- power combo if more power is required .
The combination of Electrocompaniet amps and PMC speaker is quite special IMO and I urge you to give them a listen .
Electrocompaniet EMC1UP Cd player , EC 4.7 pre , AW120 DMB power amp , PMC PB1i speakers . Isotek Titan / Nova , Nordost SPM speaker cable , Kimber KCAG balanced interconnects .
Linn LP12 Lingo , Ittok lv3 , Lyra Lydian , EAR834P .
"Everything should be as simple as possible, but no simpler." Albert Einstein .
Megatombomb, seems you are getting a bit losted with so much choice at hand.. Think you really need to take time to narrow dwn what you need & stick to it.. If not it will be a never ending jounery. May also end up haveing to talk to your bank alot. :)
No rules. If it sounds good to you it sounds Right!!.Transpor:t . Oppo BDP-105EU Blue ray player. DAC:Musical Fidelity V90. AMP: Arcam AVR450. SPEAKER'S: Boston acoustics M340.
Hey guys so i couldnt resist the opportunity of the walnut veneer EB1i's and now i just have to wait for previous owners to box them up and get them delivered. They have been purchased by me through the dealer that originally supplied them 2.5yrs ago to their current owners. I was looking at an exdemo pair of the PB1i but they were £2k more and theres probably not alot in it in terms of sound.
I discussed amps with the dealer and he suggested it does need some power for high vols. We concluded a Mcintosh MA6600 and Marantz SA-11S3 would probably give me the sound i'm after and he could arrange to have them sent for home demo once the speakers are up and running so i can try them. We ruled out valves/class A though apparantly 30 watts will still sound good upto a point just not grip when volumes rise.
I know i have bought blind on the speakers but the price was right and i have alot of confidence that a well regarded speaker will sound brilliant to me as long as i partner it carfully.
I hope my 6x6 room manages ok though but from what ive read i can manage ok and despite their size they are still flexible about positioning even benefitting from being quite close to rear walls due to the nature of their heavily damped construction. Side walls will be well over 1 metre each side.
At last i have taken a big step to building a system!
I look forward to how all this turns out.
You think you're excited Cno
Congratulations you now own a superb pair of speakers and I look forward to reading about the rest of you system as you make your choices
Don't forget to try an Electrocompaniet amp with them at some point though
Great stuff! on paper you've got some excellent gear on the way... any idea when you will recieve it?
Thanks guys i should be looking at getting the speakers late this week or early week after.
As i dont intend to play high volume often i still think a Pathos Logos or Electro ECI5 would do the job and they both seem to double their power more or less into 4 ohms. The speakers are 6ohms so they would get circa 150w from each. I know the Marantz PM11s3 would do even more as its very modest quoted 100w at 8ohm is more like 160 in reality from the lab reports in the HiFi news reviews. Still have the Mcintosh 6600 to consider for 200w pc into 8ohms and again ive found ex demo at a good price.
Still have a burning desire for the MC275 but i can imagine it burning my house down when the EB1's ask for some beans!!
Perhaps this is better for my neighbours though
Hello again guys.
Just an update i have first refusal on a 2year old Bryston Pre and power amp combo in the shape of the BP26 preamp and 4BSST2 power amp. Problem is I have to make a decision on these by tomorrow morning so as not to potentially miss out and they are certainly priced very competitvely and i could budget for them by holding off a while on the CDP.
I have therefore bben beavering and reading as many reviews/forums as possible and the consensus is they are the perfect combo for the new speakers even so far as being the units PMC used themselves to tune and demo the speakers. I cannot find one bad review and yet the consensus is that they will produce a sound that is different to what i am looking for. As previously stated i am eager to get a Valve like warmth and sweetness into my system and a sound that is refined and relaxed but can still be dynamic and entertain with music that requires the gettup and go ie my punk records should still have some bite!!! What i keep reading is the units are very transparant and clean sounding but verge on dryness. This is at odds to what i want to achieve.
As i need to make a rushed decision without hearing i expect i will come to my senses and refuse the offer as i would like to try before i buy especially as ive already spent a reasonable sum on a speakers i havent heard!
However i was wondering about one thing... if the amps are described as transparant if i chose a CD player that was voiced the way i want would i get away with these components and would they even allow the particular sound of the CDP to come out further? Or alternatively could i go another direction by using a class A valve preamp such as this beauty http://www.audioaffair.co.uk/Unison-Research-Mystery-Two-Valve-Preamplifier/product_4681 and feed it into the Bryston 4B power amp to get the warmth and sweet tonality?
I dont suppose there is any answer you can give me better than to try them out for myself but i would be interested to hear (preferably tonight ) your thoughts on my suggestions!?
Thanks again in advance
Bryston are clean, powerful and neutral.....and so are unlikely to give you the "sweet valve warmth" that you crave, so tread carefully.
IMO. It's too risky to buy without the ability to return, unless you feel you can shift it on with little loss.
Think you know in your own heart, it won't be the sound you're looking for, so there's your answer.
I have heard of others to pair a valve pre with SS power with good results, but not that particular combo.
Personally, I think the Mckintosh would be better.
Why don't you take Electro's advice and try aElectrocompaniet pre/power... Mike at Audio Destination in Devon would allow you a home demo.
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