Looking at buying a sub to add some bass to my LS50's. The problem is I don't have very much space and cannot get a large sub. Was looking at B&W PV1D, would that be a good match?
Thanks in advance.
If you feel the LS50's need more bass then I suggest they are not the ideal speakers for your room.
Subs are designed primarily with an AV system in mind rather than a pure stereo setup.
I have not heard the B&W sub but if you have that sort of money to spend then it's worth an audition.
Failing that you could sell the LS50's and, with the money you would have spent on the sub, buy some speakers that really suit your set-up and give you the bass you require.
If you are dead-set on getting a sub I would suggest you try a pair of REL TZero's.
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Thanks for replying Al ears.
Why is it not a good idea to get a sub to compliment LS50's? I do enjoy their clarity, but feel low frequencies could be improved with a sub. Would REL be easier to integrate?
If, hypothetically I decided to sell LS50 what speakers would you recommend? I've been thinking that perhaps I should've gone for R300's.My leaving room is about 4 x 3.5 meters, but it opens into a dining room which in turn becomes another leaving area. So there is a lot of space to fill. However, I thought that shouldn't matter if my listening position is just under 3 meter from each speaker. Would appreciate your thoughts.
Would suggest you do some reading up on how bass waves move/work then have a think about your room/setup and try some different positions. If you have nothing behind your listening position then you're not getting any reflected sound that would otherwise be present.
I certain think these recommendations should be tried before you go and spend money on a sub.
Not too sure how much difference R300's would make looking at their size (I have not heard them) perhaps even floorstanders might have been a better choice who knows.
The twin REL sub setup is a bit trickier than using a single sub but their small size allows them to be place close to (if not right beside) your LS50's.
Not sure what sub-out facilities you have on your amp so would not be able to assist you there.
I beg to differ, I'm sitting here now listening to nu:logic with my sub behind me and my speakers go lower than yours.
For the sake of £215 buy a bk gemni set it at 50Hz (where yours tail off) set the volume at about 8/9o clock (nice and subtle) and it will play the lows them kefs can't.
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Thanks. I will do some reading when I get a chance, however, I don't get much choice with speaker positioning. They are about 50cm from the back wall and 90 cm from the side wall each, and no, there is no wall behind my armchair. There really isn't other place for the speakers.
My amp is marantz pearl lite, it's got other speaker inputs or pre-out. Could I then use speaker cables for one sub and rca for the other? What are the advantages of using two rel's instead of one pv1d?
Thanks letsavit2. I had similar thoughts, except was going to cross over at about 70Hz but that's a matter of trial and error.
Does anyone use sub with LS50's at all?
Have you maximized the LS50s ie.
- Are they on really decent heavy stands eg. Partington
- Have the stands been filled with Atabites / sand
- Have you used Blu-Tak to secure the speakers to the stands
- If the are on a suspended wooded floor, are they isolated from it
If all the above is done, they give a surprisingly powerful sound.....especially if given a bit of welly......and you might not feel the need for a Sub, which brings its own complications.
FWIW. Regarding Subs, I like Paragidgm Seismic 110 and Velodyne SPL 800 Ultra......though there is nothing wrong with the PV1D
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Thanks for your reply. I've got dynaudio stand 4's filled with sand, they are on spikes and spikes are on little aluminium spike shoes. I've got timber floor but have a 2 x 3 meter rug in front of the speakers.
The only thing I haven't done is blue tak. LS50's came with little rubber stands. Would blue tak improve things?
- Those Dynaudio stands look very sturdy, which is good.
- Is the wooden floor suspended or laid on top of concrete?
- Blu-Tak helps isolate the speaker from the stand and holds the speaker still (which helps with stopping the speakers sliding off)......this may help with the sound, but it isn't expensive to try. Nb. Use 4 pea-sized blobs per speaker; and be careful when removing the speaker after it's been stuck down (ie. by gently twisting the speaker around its centre axis, to break the seal).
I say get the sub, whole-heartedly. I added a sub to my hi fi set up a few years back and it transformed the sound completely. Having a sub for hi fi duties is different than having one for home cinema, in that you want pace, subtlety and texture over weight and slam. Having a well integrated sub in a hi fi set up adds a depth to the whole sonic picture, not just the real low end. It's something that you just can't get with hi fi speakers alone, no matter how much you spend. I personally went for a second hand Rel, as you can see in my Sig, which cost less than £200. I think Rel are great because they can multi task; they have the speed and texture required for hi fi AND the slam needed for home cinema, allowing me to use it for both.
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I would look at a range of subs...demo a few with your speakers. REL; Velodyne, BK, B&W as you mention.
The comment that they are not suitable for Hi-Fi is unadulterated nonsense.
What do you think large 3-way speakers are - essentially 2-ways, each sitting on a sub...
except they are subs that are stuck in a fixed position and non-configurable. A good single sub can be configured to integrate perfectly.
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The floor is suspended. I'll give blue tak a try and see how I go. Thanks.
Thanks very much All for your replies.
So, if I'm to go down the subwoofer path any hints as to what kind to buy i.e. ported / sealed, two subs vs one etc. I don't have very much space so sub will probably end up next to either left or right speaker. Any thoughts?
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