A modern amplifier will have a CPU too (this is a damn fact)! So it's a PC!
Manic, apologies if this was a tounge in cheek comment, but if not, you should do some research. It is complete nonsense.
What would you have a CPU in a 'modern amp' do?
What you miss is that every digital device like a DAC still needs a good analogue stage,
We you completely fail to grasp is that the only digital device that needs any analogue stage is a DAC.
andyjm, what the hell do you think controls electronic volume controls etc?? It uses a microprocessor.
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Every digital audio device used as a source needs an analogue stage. Is that what I failed to grasp??? Please!!
Does anybody else think we're arguing over irrelevancies, or is it just me?
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Yes, especially since you're supposed to reveal more on that secret shiny box you're toying with. I'm assuming at the price it will really have to sound better than a Marantz 610?
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Not on CD it doesn't, no.
Electronic volume IC details. No CPU to be seen.....
No it's not.
erm yes it is, unless you care to elaborate ?
define a pc then?
You missed my point that there is custom software written in streamers, which takes them beyond being mere stripped down PCs.
no, i ididn't miss it at all. The very fact it has custom software means it is a stripped down pc. You're not going to get custom software on something that's not a computer are you?
You miss my point again. It's a fact that leaving PC output, at the OS level - which cannot be bypassed by the way be it ASIO etc, at high-res level may adversely affect the sound quality of standard 16/44 audio files, and vice versa.
may or does? make your mind up. No. scratch that, it's utter bobbins what you are saying. Let me ask you again, how do you think the music gets recorded in the first place? Is there some kind of voodoo box that seemingly bypasses all these issues you talk of in a studio that nodoby else knows about??
yes it is as it has to deal with networks, codecs etc...
That's got nothing to do what you originally said, you referenced what hi fi, and I say their grasp of digital world is amateur and in some cases embarrasingly wrong. Analogue on the other hand, I will quite happily listen to their knowlesdge.
I did not dismiss PCs as a source - just as a high-res source because of all the faffing required - because you need to do the switching to preserve the sound quality. And those 'tied-in' apps will cost half of a midrange streamer. In this case I will gladly accept being called a 'hypocrite'.
so you didn't say "To simply equate streamers as PCs without external interfaces is patently rubbish -" then? What tied in apps are you talking about anyways. as we've said, Foobar is free and so is the remote control for it. Vortexbox is free and so is the remote control software for that.
Oh, and I think some of us are still waiting for explaination as to how the data gets magicially pushed instead of pulled that you referred to?
No. Every digital device used as a source needs to be connected to a DAC (either internally or externally). The only piece that needs an analogue stage is the DAC. What you completely seem to fail to comprehend is that everything the happens uptil the DAC is in the digital domain.
No, it (probably*) doesn't. You seem to be a confused about the difference betweem an IC, a microprocessor and a CPU.
*Of course, there may be exceptions especially in "fully digital" amps employing digital gain.
It's not 'magically' pushed, it's how Linn have designed their control software with their streamers - go and read their whitepapers if you really care. And right not, cheeseboy, I don't care about this forum topic anymore.
Obviously, and otherwise? I believe its rear USB port is higher powered so should see a modest USB hard drive that my 761 refuses to?
Odd, I've just plugged a WD Elements 250g drive into both and they worked fine on both...
I haven't heard the Marantz so it's impossible to say, but it's rather good. It's not quite as slick as a Unitiqute (and doesn't sound as good, from memory) but it's half the price.
How is it possible to improve on any hifi streamer or computer that can output a BIT PERFECT data stream to an external DAC?
It's already BIT PERFECT (the clue's in the name BTW).
By a cheap dac and be happy.........why look further, as companies like DCS, Linn, Devialet and Naim are simply taking the P......Foo merchants, the lot of 'em.
I think you may be getting a bit mixed up here Cno. A streamer and a DAC are two separate things (although most streamers do have a DAC built into them.)
A Streamer is effectively just a computer that shifts digital audio data from one place to another.
A DAC is the piece of hardware that converts the digital data steam into an analogue audio output.
So I'll ask the same question again: "How is it possible to improve on any hifi streamer or computer that can output a BIT PERFECT data stream to an external DAC?"
I give you another clue: If they are both BIT PERFECT then no data has been lost with either of them.
..and as far DAC's are concerned (whether it's one that's built into a streamer or a separate dedicated DAC) it has been well proven and is well documented that a competent DAC can convert a digital audio data stream into an analogue signal with levels of distortion that are well below the levels that are audible to the human ear. So if the level of introduced distortion is well below that which is audible then how can this be improved on?
Listening for yourself is way over rated, as anything that defies science can't possibly be right.
I agree that you should always listen for yourself.
But it's also worth bearing in mind that anything that defies science usually isn't right (unless you have somehow stumbled upon a new and previously undescovered law of physics).
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